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View Poll Results: Attacking kneeldowns in the victory formation. What's your opinion?
Football is a 60-minute game. If it gives you a chance to win, you obviously do it. 18 15.65%
You should do it to try to win, but the injury risk may outweigh the reward. 6 5.22%
I'm neutral. I'm usually in the bathroom when the kneeldowns occur anyway. 2 1.74%
I'll deal with it if someone does it, because the game's not over. But it's kind of stupid. 20 17.39%
It's poor sportsmanship. Class up and acknowledge that you've lost. 64 55.65%
Kneeldowns shouldn't happen anyway. Keep attacking because scoring is the eighth or ninth tiebreaker for the playoffs. 5 4.35%
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Nzoner's Game Room>Attacking kneeldowns: good football or bad sportsmanship?
Rain Man 01:18 PM 12-09-2019
I was getting annoyed on the Chiefs' last possession, the one where we had the ball on our own five with a minute left and were just doing kneeldowns.

On every kneeldown, the Patriots would create a big pileup by diving into our linemen.

It annoyed me because it's not going to work 999 times out of 1000. The general protocol of football is that if a team is kneeling down you let them do it because the game is essentially over. It's tradition, and it's generally frowned upon to do otherwise. (See Tom Nalen diving into Igor Olshansky's knees as an example.)

The Patriots were crashing hard into our linemen on every one of those kneeldowns even though Patrick was pulling off some of the greatest kneeldowns I've ever seen. Did you notice that? He was down in a split second and moving back. He may be the most talented kneeldown quarterback I've ever seen.

Having said all of that, the game ain't over until the final gun goes off, or Brady's bedtime, whichever comes first. If diving into the line works 1 time out of 1000, that's one extra game you're going to win. So it's good practice to do it from a pure win-loss perspective.

It makes me think that there should be a rule change to automatically take the clock down at the end of the game and the defending team can stop it by taking time outs, since kneeldowns are for the most part boring from a game perspective. Why should the league risk the knees of a Patriots player flying into them on a play that's essentially meaningless.

But back to the point. Was it good football that that Patriots were attacking our kneeldowns or bad sportsmanship?

Poll coming if I can keep Donta Hightower from diving into it.
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Eleazar 01:19 PM 12-09-2019
Bad sportsmanship. Can injure someone and never works. Wasn't even a thing until that loser Schiano brought it to the NFL, was it?
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eDave 01:21 PM 12-09-2019
It's a dick move.
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Buehler445 01:21 PM 12-09-2019
I wasn’t thrilled with it. I understand it but I wish they wouldn’t have done it. There is far higher probability of injury than a fumble. But I get it.

I do wonder what the narrative would have been if the roles were reversed. Would there be great whaling and gnashing of teeth at the slight chance that Brady would sustain an injury? I’m guessing at least one assface would roll that out there.
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ptlyon 01:21 PM 12-09-2019
RM - you're questioning why the Pats would try to injure their opponent?

You're smarter than this!
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DaFace 01:22 PM 12-09-2019
Didn't someone run a fake out of a kneel-down position not too long ago? It was before halftime rather than just ending the game, but still.

In general, I'm fine with teams playing every down like it's a real play.
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Beef Supreme 01:22 PM 12-09-2019
It's bad sportsmanship, and nobody is surprised that the Patriots are bad sports.
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Halfcan 01:23 PM 12-09-2019
Mahomes has had a lot of practice in the Victory formation.

Patriots took cheap shots the entire game. I hope they don't win another game the rest of the year.
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Shaid 01:23 PM 12-09-2019
I tend to agree but occasionally weird crap happens on a snap and they were positioned at a great spot to take advantage if they got lucky. Just gotta deal with it.


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eDave 01:24 PM 12-09-2019
Your 6th and final option is an interesting take.
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saphojunkie 01:24 PM 12-09-2019
Sorry guys but no.

It was smart. We were backed up to the end zone. It was a one score game. The chiefs have won on a botched kneel down (thanks, Rivers).

There is nothing wrong with playing until zeroes on the clock.

It’s bad sportsmanship when it’s mid field and you're down by 10. Pats did nothing wrong.
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DaFace 01:26 PM 12-09-2019
If we're just evaluating it based on the probability of injury, consider other "long odds" situations. How about a team down by 28+ in the 4th quarter? That's like a 99% chance of a loss, so should they just take a knee the entire quarter and concede the game? That would avoid injuries for both teams.

I don't see how that's any different than playing through a kneel down.
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HayWire 01:29 PM 12-09-2019
Originally Posted by Buehler445:
I wasn’t thrilled with it. I understand it but I wish they wouldn’t have done it. There is far higher probability of injury than a fumble. But I get it.

I do wonder what the narrative would have been if the roles were reversed. Would there be great whaling and gnashing of teeth at the slight chance that Brady would sustain an injury? I’m guessing at least one assface would roll that out there.
This. A botched snap and they have the ball on the 5. Would have bothered me more if it was the other end of the field. I think it's more "how" they do I rather than if. Trying to blow them off the line like a normal play, fine. Going after cheap shots and knees, not cool
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O.city 01:32 PM 12-09-2019
IMO, just do away with the kneel downs. If you are at a point where 3 kneels ends the game or whatever, just do like they've done with the extra point or the intentional walk in baseball.

Just allow coaches to say "we're kneeling to end the game, they don't have any time outs and we can salt it away" run the clock and end the game. There is a fumble on a snap what, every 8 years on a kneel?

It's dumb.
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TinyEvel 01:38 PM 12-09-2019
I don't like it but I understand 100% why someone (especially Belichick) would do it in that situation they were in.

A one-score game on our own 5 years line, any mistake and they could get the ball and score. I would have done it.

But in a two possession game not important to the season outcome or seeding, No. stupid.
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