Sources: The #Seahawks and #Chiefs are deep in talks on a trade to send star Frank Clark to KC. The compensation would include a 1st rounder, a 2020 2nd rounder and a swap of mid-rounders. To complete it, the franchise tagged player and Chiefs must hammer out a deal.
Like: Clark is a lot better all-around player than Dee Ford and is younger.
Don’t like: turning Dee Ford and a first-round pick into Frank Clark and a better third-round pick. That price is a bit high.
Hate: Adding another domestic violence guy to the team. I know the Michigan stuff is in the past and he wasn’t charged and she hit him first and all of that, but that’s an awfully big risk to take on while the Tyreek Hill stuff is ongoing. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Iconic:
You are completely ignoring opportunity cost. We lost the ability to draft cheap talent at #29 that gives us a 5th year option. We lost an additional 2020 round pick that had value both this year for a trade up and next year as a pick. We lost cap flexibility. And lastly, we also most likely lost one of four players that need to be resigned in the coming two years.
We lost more than we gained. It's a bad trade no matter what you guys want to make yourselves believe. If your plan is to run a franchise for one season it's wonderful, but long term it was stupid as **** and very short sighted.
Are you ****ing high? I mean, seriously. Crack is whack.
You really think a #29 pick was going to produce like Frank Clark over the next few seasons-especially 2019? And 2020? and 2021? Incredibly unlikely. The REASON you want cap flexibility is for the ability to...well, do things like this-get a proven playmaker, young, in his prime, no injury history. We can frontload Clark's deal some and spread it out. It's a smart move. AND he's 25 fucking years old. He's just in his prime years.
We gave up a late #2. We gained 10 spots in the 3rd this year.
Clark and Jones are going to wreck offensive lines for the next several years. This defense just took a MAJOR step forward.
You guys are nuts.
I have off the field concerns with Clark, but as a player, this is a MAJOR, HUGE talent increase. [Reply]
Originally Posted by RealSNR:
The worst part about this is have we really improved as a defense all that much? If we're doing a scheme transition, and if that causes confusion problems in the first year for many of the players, what's the point of moving heaven and earth to get a guy right now to fill a hole?
Why don't we ****ing draft somebody and let them develop while the other guys on defense make the transition?
For ****'s sake. The defense is going to suck. With or without Clark. It's still going to ****ing suck this year.
Clark is there... we suck. We draft some guys... we suck. The difference is in one situation we get the benefit of cheap players 3-4 years down the line in the initial stages of the Mahomes extension. In the other situation we're paying $20 million each year to one guy over the course of that time.
I'm pretty pissed. We eventually have to stop this revolving door of GMs, but at this point I really ****ing hate Veach. He's goddamn clueless.
Carl, Pioli, and even Dorsey to some extent at least were able to put up the veil of walking away from a deal. They weren't afraid of inaction, because inaction is the only goddamn bargaining chip a team often has. Veach has none of that. "Buy low, sell high" means nothing to this loser. For as vocal as he is about certain players, he clearly doesn't trust his own ability to navigate a draft board or trust his scouting when Plan A doesn't go the way he planned.
He's horrible. He might be the weakest GM we've had since before Carl.
Other GMs clearly have him pegged as the douche who will give you anything you want.
Good God dude take a lap. You are way overreacting to this. This trade is not as terrible as you are making it. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Mecca:
What DE was gonna be there at 29?
Also in case you missed it, the Chiefs have cap room they just got rid of Houston and Berry.
Also all of that shit doesn't matter cause in 2 years the cap will look vastly different after the lockout/strike.
For what we gave up we could have easily used that to move into the top 20 maybe even top 15. And by doing that you add a high potential player and still have $20-25m to spend. [Reply]
Originally Posted by duncan_idaho:
Like: Clark is a lot better all-around player than Dee Ford and is younger.
Don’t like: turning Dee Ford and a first-round pick into Frank Clark and a better third-round pick. That price is a bit high.
Hate: Adding another domestic violence guy to the team. I know the Michigan stuff is in the past and he wasn’t charged and she hit him first and all of that, but that’s an awfully big risk to take on while the Tyreek Hill stuff is ongoing.