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Originally Posted by BigRichard:
Why not cut out the middle men and just do your own research? The numbers are out there for everyone to see.
It would be a massive waste of time.
Originally Posted by BleedingRed:
Then we would see other racial groups with the same problem. We don't, so its not.
Native Americans share similar issues as black Americans and I don't think that's a coincidence. They're the only group whose history in this country is comparable to black people (their go of it has probably been worse than black people's, to be honest). [Reply]
Originally Posted by TwistedChief:
Of course not. But what does that have to do with births out of wedlock when they've been rising everywhere in the developed world?
Because you’re claiming all their issues are due to generations of racism.
Now that we’ve established that 73% figure is not because of racism, and the lack of black fathers is clearly resulting in a very disproportionate amount of murders and other violent crimes, you can’t just simply blame racism for that either.
At some point, you have to acknowledge personal responsibility in all of this. [Reply]
Originally Posted by staylor26:
Because you’re claiming all their issues are due to generations of racism.
Now that we’ve established that 73% figure is not because of racism, and the lack of black fathers is clearly resulting in a very disproportionate amount of murders and other violent crimes, you can’t just simply blame racism for that either.
At some point, you have to acknowledge personal responsibility in all of this.
But out-of-wedlock births have gone up everywhere since 1965. Have we seen the same level of violent crime increase globally since that period? If not, then perhaps out-of-wedlock births are not the cause. Correlation does not equal causation.
What statistics are you using to gauge that the "lack of black fathers is clearly resulting in a very disproportionate amount of murders and other violent crimes"? [Reply]
Originally Posted by ThaVirus: It would be a massive waste of time.
Native Americans share similar issues as black Americans and I don't think that's a coincidence. They're the only group whose history in this country is comparable to black people (their go of it has probably been worse than black people's, to be honest).
Massive waste of time with all that is going on? I would think it would behoove all parties that have such a investment in this to do some research themselves. I mean, you don't want to be a parrot your entire life right? [Reply]
Originally Posted by TwistedChief:
But out-of-wedlock births have gone up everywhere since 1965. Have we seen the same level of violent crime increase globally since that period? If not, then perhaps out-of-wedlock births are not the cause. Correlation does not equal causation.
What statistics are you using to gauge that the "lack of black fathers is clearly resulting in a very disproportionate amount of murders and other violent crimes"?
Have they gone up to 73%? You keep talking about this trend, but I’m not seeing any other race anywhere close to 73%. Stop pretending like that’s normal. Like I said, it’s 25% for whites.
Also, if you can’t see the correlation with the lack of black fathers and crime, I don’t know what to fucking tell you. There are plenty of statistics out there that support this.
9 times more likely to end up dropping out of school and 20 times more likely to end up in prison. [Reply]
Originally Posted by staylor26:
Have they gone up to 73%? You keep talking about this trend, but I’m not seeing any other race anywhere close to 73%. Stop pretending like that’s normal. Like I said it’s 25% for whites.
Also, if you can’t see the correlation with the lack of black fathers and crime, I don’t know what to fucking tell you. There are plenty of statistics out there that support this.
Out-of-wedlock births in Iceland went from 25% in 1964 to 69% in 2014. And in Iceland, there are less than 2 murders per year. Using your foolproof statistical analysis, I deduce that out-of-wedlock births are the cause of Iceland's low murder rate. [Reply]
Originally Posted by TwistedChief:
Out-of-wedlock births in Iceland went from 25% in 1964 to 69% in 2014. And in Iceland, there are less than 2 murders per year. Using your foolproof statistical analysis, I deduce that out-of-wedlock births are the cause of Iceland's low murder rate.
I see you missed my edit. 20 times more likely to end up in prison. Now explain that away. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Lprechaun:
A fake head isnt real hair either.
Average hours spent to become an officer in the US 300-800.
Average hours to become a hairstylist or barber 900-1500.
Florida is 1200 hours, Mo is 1500.... you can do your own leg work if you want but theres your shown work. :-)
You find one of those fake heads that shoot back at you, did you? Tossing away a wig and starting over will teach you how to deal with an unruly cowlick. Reading a hostile exchange or doing a years worth of rehearsals on conflict management won't teach you how to deal with an angry person shouting in your face and reaching for his pocket.
Again - just a week effort here. Culling out fieldwork for someone who's occupation often calls for dealing with violent and confrontational people is just wholly dishonest. The nature of that profession requires that you experience the sort of relatively unnatural and heightened scenarios that you will deal with frequently as an officer. [Reply]
Originally Posted by BigRichard:
Massive waste of time with all that is going on? I would think it would behoove all parties that have such a investment in this to do some research themselves. I mean, you don't want to be a parrot your entire life right?
I would also like to point out I believe you could have all of this information in probably under 30 minutes with a few google searches from the sources of data themselves. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Time's Yours:
Maybe I lost track of the conversation, but when you talk about these unpreventable mistakes, because nobody's perfect, are you talking about shooting an unarmed person as he runs away, beating someone to death, or just the incident with pushing the 75 year old?
If you want to earn cheap points by asking bullshit rhetorical questions and then playing dumb, Direkshun can give you a master class on it over in DC.
You miss the part where I specifically said "the Floyd incident is indefensible..."? And I believe you're referring to that SC case, right? Where the officer shot the dude and then planted a gun on him?
All of the instances you are talking about I have spoken to. Those are incidents where officers with a fairly dire history of unnecessary confrontation were protected by their unions.
I flat out said - departments need to be more willing to fire bad officers. Those aren't good officers making mistakes, those are dangerous people who are hiding being state authority. But the Justine Diamond killing was a tragic accident. As was Philando Castille. These were not officers with bad backgrounds. They weren't known bad apples. By all outward appearances they were good people who made bad choices in high-stress environments. You will never be able to cull that sort of possibility from law enforcement.
But to throw entire police departments into the garbage and say that anything unfortunate the happens can only be attributed to obvious incompetence or bad motives is just irresponsible and foolish. [Reply]