Originally Posted by stevieray:
I like Robinson, his block on the DB @ the goal line was killer.
I am 100% certain that Andy has referred to him as "Dirty tough" at some point.
Which is about as high praise as you'll hear from Andy Reid.
Robinson does a lot of unappreciated grunt-work. And despite a reputation as kinda being stupid coming out of Florida, his role has a lot of responsibilities that he seems capable of handling pretty well.
Ultimately we'd notice the places where Hardman is better than D-Rob, but we'll probably overlook the places where Robinson is better than Hardman. And ultimately the coaches don't. And that's why Robinson is still getting the run that many would like to see Hardman getting. [Reply]
They trust Robinson more, also lets remember for the talent Hardman is not a refined WR, he isn't polished and basically gets by on talent more than anything. [Reply]
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
It's not where I'd be planting my flag, no.
Odd to me that someone with an actual reputation is willing to stake that position, to be honest.
I wouldn't try to make that argument based on tarnishing whatever slim CP 'rep' I have 'round here. Whereas Swanson actually makes a living off his.
It's just a really REALLY lazy analysis from someone w/ the platform to do a far better job than that.
Robinson isn’t very good. He’s more competent at blocking then he is at actually playing receiver. The fact that he is playing ahead of Hardman is incredibly annoying, especially when he’s consistently fucking up.
To this point, Mecole has not been used much in a full time role, unless you consider his full time role as a gadget player. I want to see his role expanded. I want him taking Robinson’s snaps but he isn’t.
The problem here is likely that he hasn’t developed much from last year to overtake Robinson. I trust the coaches enough to make that call. Whether it’s blocking or route running something is just not there. I get that we have Tyreek and Sammy, but we’re constantly in 11 personnel and sometimes empty packages.
At this point it seems like the role for Hardman isn’t needed as much bc Tyreek was never charged/released and he is playing the position.
Originally Posted by RunKC:
4 games in and I have to agree with this. Mecole seems like a mostly glorified ST’s player and overall specialist. I want to see him get more involved.
Mecole is like four deep balls from being De'Anthony Thomas to this point in his career. Special teams, gadget play behind the LOS, and a few deep balls. I don't love his progression through 20 games.
Originally Posted by RunKC:
Robinson isn’t very good. He’s more competent at blocking then he is at actually playing receiver. The fact that he is playing ahead of Hardman is incredibly annoying, especially when he’s consistently fucking up.
To this point, Mecole has not been used much in a full time role, unless you consider his full time role as a gadget player. I want to see his role expanded. I want him taking Robinson’s snaps but he isn’t.
The problem here is likely that he hasn’t developed much from last year to overtake Robinson. I trust the coaches enough to make that call. Whether it’s blocking or route running something is just not there. I get that we have Tyreek and Sammy, but we’re constantly in 11 personnel and sometimes empty packages.
At this point it seems like the role for Hardman isn’t needed as much bc Tyreek was never charged/released and he is playing the position.
It’s a more than legitimate discussion.
Sure. It's just a really short one.
Originally Posted by :
At this point it seems like the role for Hardman isn’t needed as much bc Tyreek was never charged/released and he is playing the position.
There.
Done and done.
What the fuck does D'Anthony Thomas have to do with anything? [Reply]
If the complaint against Mecole is making the rounds then it is safe to say that the quality bar is considerably high.
I think the point that Kent is trying to make is when defenses are hell bent on taking away from Hill and Kelce and put their best defender on Watkins then WRs3 and 4 must be much more visible. And Hardman was drafted as though Hill was gone. [Reply]
Originally Posted by RunKC:
Robinson isn’t very good. He’s more competent at blocking then he is at actually playing receiver. The fact that he is playing ahead of Hardman is incredibly annoying, especially when he’s consistently fucking up.
To this point, Mecole has not been used much in a full time role, unless you consider his full time role as a gadget player. I want to see his role expanded. I want him taking Robinson’s snaps but he isn’t.
The problem here is likely that he hasn’t developed much from last year to overtake Robinson. I trust the coaches enough to make that call. Whether it’s blocking or route running something is just not there. I get that we have Tyreek and Sammy, but we’re constantly in 11 personnel and sometimes empty packages.
At this point it seems like the role for Hardman isn’t needed as much bc Tyreek was never charged/released and he is playing the position.
It’s a more than legitimate discussion.
Robinson isn't playing INSTEAD of Hardman.
This is the Willie Gay thing all over again.
Gay isn't playing over Niemann because they don't play the same damn position.
Hardman and Robinson have different roles and are going to be used differently. [Reply]
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
Sure. It's just a really short one.
There.
Done and done.
What the **** does D'Anthony Thomas have to do with anything?
Mecole is a 2nd rd receiver who is 4th on the depth chart and is mostly doing the same role DAT is.
Regardless of Tyreek being the top player or Mecole’s blocking, we throw the ball. A ton. There’s plenty of opportunities there for Mecole. Except there isn’t bc Robinson is taking a lot of those snaps.
Wondering why we aren’t including Mecole in the offense more in a heavy pass offense (Aside from gadget plays) is a legit discussion.
Some of the posters here are extra sensitive about this for some reason. It’s not criticizing Mecole. It’s actually pointing to him being really good and wondering why the most creative staff in the league isn’t giving him more opportunities. [Reply]
Originally Posted by RunKC:
Mecole is a 2nd rd receiver who is 4th on the depth chart and is mostly doing the same role DAT is.
Regardless of Tyreek being the top player or Mecole’s blocking, we throw the ball. A ton. There’s plenty of opportunities there for Mecole. Except there isn’t bc Robinson is taking a lot of those snaps.
Wondering why we aren’t including Mecole in the offense more in a heavy pass offense (Aside from gadget plays) is a legit discussion.
Some of the posters here are extra sensitive about this for some reason. It’s not criticizing Mecole. It’s actually pointing to him being really good and wondering why the most creative staff in the league isn’t giving him more opportunities.
Because the most creative staff in the league has legitimate reasons to use Robinson in those situations. [Reply]
Originally Posted by RunKC:
Mecole is a 2nd rd receiver who is 4th on the depth chart and is mostly doing the same role DAT is.
Regardless of Tyreek being the top player or Mecole’s blocking, we throw the ball. A ton. There’s plenty of opportunities there for Mecole. Except there isn’t bc Robinson is taking a lot of those snaps.
Wondering why we aren’t including Mecole in the offense more in a heavy pass offense (Aside from gadget plays) is a legit discussion.
Some of the posters here are extra sensitive about this for some reason. It’s not criticizing Mecole. It’s actually pointing to him being really good and wondering why the most creative staff in the league isn’t giving him more opportunities.
Because Robinson is a player who's snaps don't interfere with the ability of the REST of the offense to do it's job at its highest level. He doesn't go to the wrong spot on the field and screw up traffic. He doesn't miss downfield blocks.
To try to force Hardman onto the field consistently would be at the expense of other, better players. It would take away from the ability of the rest of the offense to function at a high level.
A complementary depth player must be complementary. That's what you just keep ignoring despite it haven been repeated several times. Hardman's tool-set isn't as varied as Robinsons. He's not someone who allows the rest of the offense to function at as high a level as Robinson does.
Sure, he may do more with his opportunities than Robinson would, but he's nothing resembling the focal point of this offense and so that's a secondary concern. Right now the 3rd WR on this team needs to be the guy who does the most to help Hill, Watkins, Kelce and CEH capitalize on their opportunities.
I think it's pretty clear that Robinson does that. Stop trying to view this as 'Robinson vs. Hardman' in a vacuum - this system just does not work that way.
It's all a question of how Robinson's skills complement the 'key' players in this offense vs. how Hardman's skills do. It's the same conversation that was had on Jonathan Taylor vs. CEH. The key to any player getting run in this system is how they mesh within a scheme built around Hill/Kelce/Watkins. And until Hardman forces himself into THAT triumvirate, his complementary talents will matter more than his primary ones.
Originally Posted by staylor26:
This is a stupid ****ing take.
Rubbed me the wrong way too.
He’s the 5th option behind 4 Pro Bowl quality players. I mean ****.
His efficiency is through the roof. Robinson is a glorified perimeter blocker out there and if they feel they need that over another 25 snaps for Hardman, whatever, I get it.
I just don’t understand what people expect from guys like Hardman or Watkins in terms of production when they have Kelce, Hill, and CEH eating 80% of the pie. [Reply]
