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Nzoner's Game Room>O-Line Film Study & Patrick Mahomes’ happy feet, solid secondary and more
T-post Tom 11:01 PM 12-04-2019
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It’s been a weird couple of weeks for the Kansas City Chiefs’ offense.

That’s an odd sentence to type after their thorough demolishing of the Raiders on Sunday. However, the win was on the back of the defense, as the offense was opportunistic but gained a paltry 259 total yards. Reigning MVP Patrick Mahomes was held below 200 yards for the second straight week.

We’ll talk about Mahomes shortly, but after reviewing the film, it’s impossible to discuss his performance against Oakland on an individual level. The issues the Chiefs are experiencing — they are still third in offensive efficiency according to Football Outsiders, so “issues” is a relative term here — start up front, in both the pass and the run game. In particular, the interior of the offensive line has reached a point of inconsistency that is affecting both methods to advance the ball.

One of the most glaring issues is that the pocket is being consistently pushed back or moved.



Note where the line of scrimmage is and where the pass rushers are by the time Mahomes makes his throw. This isn’t an immediate release by Mahomes, but it is relatively quick, with the ball coming out in a little under three seconds. Despite that, Mahomes must make the throw under duress as center Austin Reiter allows pressure up the middle.

This wouldn’t be problematic if it were an exception, but the majority of snaps in the passing game that weren’t immediate throws featured something similar or, in some cases, even more direct pressure. If the line wasn’t getting moved backward, there were issues handling stunts from the defensive line.



Here, the right side of the line, particularly right guard Laurent Duvernay-Tardif, is slow to recognize the stunt, and the result is quick pressure. Because of the clumsy way the stunt was handled, right tackle Mitchell Schwartz loses inside as well. Mahomes is forced to throw without stepping into the pass and with rushers in his face. While the line has been better this season against this sort of action, it’s still problematic far too often.

There were issues with individual failures along the line as well. All three interior linemen took turns losing during pass-protection sets.



This is another play in which the ball gets out in time, but due to Duvernay-Tardif losing, the throw is made under pressure. I charted seven snaps in pass protection in which the interior offense line lost quickly, with most of those times resulting in pressure on Mahomes.

It was impossible to predict before a pass play whether the interior would hold up or allow the pocket to be pushed. The problem with this is that pressure along the interior, even if it doesn’t reach Mahomes, alters the dynamic of the play. If the pocket isn’t safe, Mahomes can’t step up and the edge rushers have a much easier time reaching him knowing that there’s little risk of being pushed wide. It also creates trust issues between Mahomes and the line, and that’s starting to show up in how Mahomes is dropping back to pass.



Here, Mahomes takes a three-step drop. However, he doesn’t stop there; he continues to back up, moving a full 4 yards backward and to the left after the top of the drop. This is happening more with each passing week as Mahomes loses trust in the interior of the line to create a viable pocket. That was even noted by the commentators during last week’s Monday Night Football game.

However, there are multiple reasons more quarterbacks don’t utilize this “technique.” The primary problem is that it alters the angles of pass protection for both tackles. Offensive linemen are protecting a spot, not the quarterback himself. They know where he’s supposed to be based on the play call, and if the quarterback moves from that area, they have no way of seeing it. However, pass rushers can track the movement and break off their rush in pursuit, and offensive linemen are helpless to stop them without holding.

The other issue with backing up from the top of the drop is that it messes with a quarterback’s footwork and increases the distance to make throws. While an extra 4 yards might not seem like a big deal, that distance matters even for Mahomes when trying to make throws downfield. Additionally, most routes are predicated on timing, with the ball coming out at a certain moment. If Mahomes tries to get the ball out while still backpedaling, his accuracy suffers. And it all stems from a lack of trust up front.

The Chiefs’ interior offensive line didn’t fare much better as a run-blocking unit against the Raiders, consistently getting beaten at the point of attack.



Oakland defensive tackle Johnathan Hankins dominated the line of scrimmage Sunday, similarly to how he did when the teams met in Week 2. The line wasn’t able to move him out of rushing lanes or wall him off, and there was consistent penetration from other defenders as well. This often snuffed out runs before they could begin. The Chiefs couldn’t run the ball until rookie Darwin Thompson was able to have success late in the game.

The interior line will need to play better if the Chiefs want to have more consistent success on offense without Mahomes needing to play like a superhero. All three interior linemen have played at a significantly higher level than they have the last few weeks, so there may be a turnaround coming. Additionally, backup Stefen Wisniewski played well when given a chance and should be considered as an option to help staunch the bleeding.

Mahomes’ recent “struggles”

Mahomes has become the subject of conversation the past couple weeks after putting up arguably the worst back-to-back performances of his career. Before discussing what has been happening on the field, it’s important to consider the standard Mahomes is being held to.

Here’s Mahomes’ charted numbers against the Raiders.



(Note: Because not all passes can be charted for accuracy and/or depth of target, the numbers will look odd at times. For an in-depth discussion about the numbers and how they gauge quarterback play, click here)

I thought it would be helpful to combine Mahomes’ numbers from the past two games and average them out, then compare them to former Chiefs quarterback Alex Smith’s 2017 season, which was by far the best of his career. Mahomes’ averaged numbers from the last two games are first, then Smith’s numbers immediately follow.



When comparing the two quarterbacks, it’s worth noting that Mahomes’ accuracy percentage isn’t as good as Smith’s (76.2 percent to 82 percent). However, Mahomes is pushing the ball to the intermediate zones much more frequently. Mahomes has missed fewer shots down the field while maintaining (slightly) better pocket presence under considerably more pressure in terms of flushes. Mahomes has made more “franchise” throws as well. The area Smith is decisively better is potential picks, though it’s worth noting that Mahomes’ 1.5 rate is in line with most NFL quarterbacks and Smith was notoriously conservative.

None of this is to start a Mahomes vs. Smith debate, which would be pointless and has an obvious answer. The purpose is to demonstrate that in two games that are perhaps the worst of his career, Mahomes still has been arguably better than Smith was in his best season as a pro. So while he certainly has been below his usual standard of play, to say he’s playing badly would be a massive exaggeration.

As discussed above, Mahomes seems like he has lost trust in the offensive line to hold up. That has resulted in him bailing out of clean pockets more frequently and returning to some bad habits he had in college and early on in his career.



Here, the Raiders show a stunt against the right side of the offensive line and Mahomes doesn’t wait to see whether it’s picked up. Instead, he takes off to his right, which opens up a lane for the edge rusher. Had Mahomes stayed put, he would have been fine in the pocket, and he likely would have seen Demarcus Robinson come open down the field for a potential touchdown. Mahomes even appeared to be looking that direction before getting happy feet and leaving the pocket.

Mahomes’ lack of trust has affected his footwork as discussed above, and as a result, his accuracy has gone down. He’s trying to get rid of the ball more quickly on plays where he has time to set his feet, and it has cost the Chiefs some big plays.



The Chiefs execute a drag-and-go with tight end Travis Kelce here, and it results in a wide open potential touchdown. Mahomes must move initially, but that’s part of the play design with tight end Blake Bell sealing off the defensive end. Mahomes has time to reset his feet before making the throw but instead wings it off-platform. As a result, the ball comes up a bit short and inside. Mahomes threw a dangerous potential pick when targeting receiver Sammy Watkins with a similar throw.

While Mahomes’ trust issues with the line are understandable, he needs to separate the times he has to throw on the move from times he’s able to use better technique. Until he does, his accuracy will continue to be more erratic than we’re used to seeing.

It’s worth noting that even at his “worst,” Mahomes still made a number of spectacular throws.



Mahomes has more time in the pocket here, although pressure does get home late (it could have been alleviated had he slid to his right). Mahomes sees Kelce open down the field and delivers a perfect throw in stride.

While Mahomes hasn’t been playing at his usual elite level the last two weeks, he’s still playing well above average in tough circumstances. That ceiling will need to be raised if the Chiefs want to make a Super Bowl run, but given Mahomes is merely three weeks removed from a near-perfect performance, it’s doubtful what we’ve seen the past few weeks is the new normal.

Mathieu and Thornhill’s impact

The Chiefs defense has been excellent the last several weeks, especially the pass defense. A big part of that has been the play of Tyrann Mathieu, who has emerged as the leader of the secondary as well as a playmaker. In addition, Mathieu’s varied skill set and understanding of the game allows defensive coordinator Steve Spagnuolo to use him in a variety of ways to confuse opposing quarterbacks.



Here, Mathieu gives the appearance that he’s either playing man or some form of Cover-3, either of which would take him to the deep portion of the field and leave a gap to be exploited in the intermediate left zone. Raiders quarterback Derek Carr sees his tight end is being covered by linebacker Damien Wilson in either man or about to pass him off deep, so he believes this could be a big play. Instead, Mathieu peels off and drops to the exact spot on the field the throw is going for an easy interception. While the catch itself was simple, it was made possible by fooling Carr as to what coverage Mathieu was playing.

Mathieu’s intelligence and versatility allows Spagnuolo to use him all over the field and in various roles, which helps disguise coverages and gives other players freedom elsewhere.



Here, Mathieu is used in man coverage against a slot receiver, something many safeties would struggle with. Because he’s used in so many ways, Carr has no way of knowing it’s man or zone prior to the snap and is left to guess. Further, Mathieu’s ability to handle the receiver alone allows Juan Thornill and Daniel Sorensen to help bracket other threats on the play and Carr has nowhere to throw the ball.

Thornhill has been an exceptional addition as well, and not just for his athletic gifts. He also has contributed to a defense that is communicating much better at the back end.



Here, the Raiders are lined up in a bunch formation on the right side, which gave the Chiefs fits last season. Thornhill talks with cornerback Bashaud Breeland prior to the snap and as a result, Thornhill knows Breeland is going to give up inside leverage to protect against a throw to the outside and Breeland knows Thornhill can break on a throw to the inside. They trust one another to do their job, and the result is Carr being baited into a pick-six.

Thornhill still struggles with missed tackles on occasion, but has (along with Mathieu) been a huge part of the pass defense being much more difficult to throw against this season.

Cornerbacks are contributing

It wasn’t just the safeties who helped smother Carr and the Raiders. Oakland had just one completion to a wide receiver prior to a garbage-time fourth-quarter drive, and solid play from the cornerbacks was a major contributing factor. Often, Carr had nowhere to go with the ball. One example came on a red-zone drive late in the third quarter. On first down, the coverage forced Carr to throw the ball away despite very little pressure.



Both Charvarius Ward and Bashaud Breeland stay glued to their receivers here, playing physical with an awareness of where they have help. The next snap developed similarly, with Morris Claiborne swapping in for Breeland and similarly staying aware of his assignment in an outside zone, leaving Carr with nowhere to throw. There were multiple snaps like this against Oakland, with the coverage helping create pressure.

Both Ward and Breeland had good games against Oakland, with Kendall Fuller returning to play well in limited snaps. Claiborne played 40 percent of the snaps and generally performed decently, though he had more lapses than the other three. Rookie Rashad Fenton was relegated to two snaps with the veterans all healthy but is someone who has shown he can contribute.

The Chiefs’ cornerbacks have played above their perceived ability for most of the season, and that has been particularly true of late. They are conscious of their assignments and rarely blow coverages while being willing to play physical with receivers. Ward in particular has gone from flashing potential to consistently good and looks like he could be a long-term solution at the position. The unit as a whole has been stronger than the sum of its parts, and credit should be given to the coaching staff as well as the players for that.

What’s going on with the receivers?

As of late, Kelce and Hill are the only playmakers who have flashed for the Chiefs. It’s concerning enough that I examined the snaps of the receivers to see if there was an issue with them getting separation. The answer, unfortunately for the Chiefs, is not a resounding “no.” Watkins and Robinson are not getting consistent separation if they are not schemed open, and Watkins in particular looks a step less explosive than last season and earlier this year.

In addition, the offensive line struggling has taken a toll on the time receivers have to get open. The ball is often coming out before most of the Chiefs’ receivers’ routes develop, as only Kelce and Hill are excellent at getting free quickly. Watkins and Robinson tend to need a bit more time or are placed in route combinations that require more time to get open, and with the interior of the line not holding up, that’s not happening.

Besides the line playing better, one solution for Reid is to get rookie Mecole Hardman on the field more. I wrote about his performance so far last week, and the speedy receiver out of Georgia looks much more explosive on his routes than the other options besides Hill. While Reid is rarely comfortable playing rookie receivers extensive minutes, the reality is his skill set better fits what the offense is attempting to do at this point.

With the Patriots looming, the offensive side of the ball will need to play better than it has in recent weeks. The pieces are certainly there to do so, but it will start with the line holding its own more consistently.


Seth Keysor is The Athletic's resident Kansas City Chiefs film analyst. He previously covered the Chiefs at SB Nation for more than seven years. Seth is also an attorney and pastor in Minnesota. Follow Seth on Twitter @RealMNchiefsfan.

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Pitt Gorilla 03:48 PM 12-07-2021
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
Are these serious questions?

Folks - he's just killing the play. Look at his body language - he's giving up on the play. Robinson had a guy with underneath position on him (and possibly safety help over the top) and he didn't get the look on the backside he wanted to try to hit the crosser. So he just killed it and lived to fight another day.

There's nothing to this one. He was inside the tackle box and he needed to get the ball back to the LOS, so he just fired it low to avoid the sack or a potential turnover and went on to the next one.

This one's easy, fellas.
I thought that was fairly clear.
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Chiefspants 04:15 PM 12-07-2021
I know it's tough for folks to admit but Denver actually has a very stout defense and sometimes they're just going to blow up a solid play design. The key is to not give them short fields and gimmes that allow them to stay in the game.

Patrick also looked great against the Cowboys. Seriously, that INT changed the whole perception of his game. Possible he would have had 300 had that drive been able to continue.
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htismaqe 04:20 PM 12-07-2021
Originally Posted by Red Dawg:
Exactly. The problem is real and probably will not change this season so run the ball and take the pressure off.
Yeah, let's change the team's identity midseason instead of just trying to get centered and reset.

This whole "run the ball" nonsense is just that.
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DJ's left nut 04:30 PM 12-07-2021
Originally Posted by htismaqe:
Yeah, let's change the team's identity midseason instead of just trying to get centered and reset.

This whole "run the ball" nonsense is just that.
Yup.

"Hey, let's take this thing we've been elite at for 5 seasons and do it way less so we can focus our efforts on this OTHER thing that's way less efficient and we're only average at. Because...reasons."

This isn't a team that's going to win anything meaningful by trying to be a running team. It's a team that will live or die by the 3 HoF players responsible for fueling this offense.

You want to bet against those guys going forward? Because of Clyde Edwards-Helaire and Darrel Williams?

They'll figure it out or we'll lose to a team that does what it was designed to do well. Be that Baltimore or NE or Buffalo or even TN if Henry comes back. We will win as this team was constructed or we won't win.

Sure, we may be able to limp into the playoffs and maybe even win a game. But we won't win the conference and that's the baseline to me. Win the AFCCG or it was a wasted season.

This is how you have to view the world when you have the best QB in the game. And it's why you don't do anything that may yield short term benefits but interfere with that long-term goal. Mahomes shot his way through his slump (he's playing at a MUCH higher level than people are giving him credit for right now) and Hill/Kelce will as well.

Do what it is that made you this force to begin with, a team that should've gone to 3 straight SBs.
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htismaqe 04:33 PM 12-07-2021
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
This isn't a team that's going to win anything meaningful by trying to be a running team. It's a team that will live or die by the 3 HoF players responsible for fueling this offense.
Let me take you one step further:

How many running teams do we have to watch lose in the playoffs with an ELITE running game before it fucking sinks in that run heavy doesn't work?

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
They'll figure it out or we'll lose to a team that does what it was designed to do well. Be that Baltimore or NE or Buffalo or even TN if Henry comes back. We will win as this team was constructed or we won't win.

Sure, we may be able to limp into the playoffs and maybe even win a game. But we won't win the conference and that's the baseline to me. Win the AFCCG or it was a wasted season.

This is how you have to view the world when you have the best QB in the game. And it's why you don't do anything that may yield short term benefits but interfere with that long-term goal.
:-)
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Rain Man 04:36 PM 12-07-2021
Originally Posted by htismaqe:
Yeah, let's change the team's identity midseason instead of just trying to get centered and reset.

This whole "run the ball" nonsense is just that.

Yeah, I didn't trade up for the best passer in NFL history to run the ball.
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DJ's left nut 04:38 PM 12-07-2021
Originally Posted by htismaqe:
Let me take you one step further:

How many running teams do we have to watch lose in the playoffs with an ELITE running game before it fucking sinks in that run heavy doesn't work?
How much fun is watching the Patriots fans right now? Year after year after year they win SBs with Brady and get this insane sense of entitlement and belief in The Patriot Way.

Now they have the same team we watched lose a dozen times over the last 30 years or so. We know how this game ends and they have no earthly idea.

God I'm looking forward to this. It's going to be beautiful.
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duncan_idaho 05:07 PM 12-07-2021
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
Yup.

"Hey, let's take this thing we've been elite at for 5 seasons and do it way less so we can focus our efforts on this OTHER thing that's way less efficient and we're only average at. Because...reasons."

This isn't a team that's going to win anything meaningful by trying to be a running team. It's a team that will live or die by the 3 HoF players responsible for fueling this offense.

You want to bet against those guys going forward? Because of Clyde Edwards-Helaire and Darrel Williams?

They'll figure it out or we'll lose to a team that does what it was designed to do well. Be that Baltimore or NE or Buffalo or even TN if Henry comes back. We will win as this team was constructed or we won't win.

Sure, we may be able to limp into the playoffs and maybe even win a game. But we won't win the conference and that's the baseline to me. Win the AFCCG or it was a wasted season.

This is how you have to view the world when you have the best QB in the game. And it's why you don't do anything that may yield short term benefits but interfere with that long-term goal. Mahomes shot his way through his slump (he's playing at a MUCH higher level than people are giving him credit for right now) and Hill/Kelce will as well.

Do what it is that made you this force to begin with, a team that should've gone to 3 straight SBs.
Great points.

Just work that short passing game.

And here's the thing... we saw in 2019 the Chiefs go into a similar "Just win it" mode once Mahomes came back and the defense started playing well.

Chargers: 24-17 W
Raiders: 40-9 W (score bloated by 9 defensive points; offense didn't do a bunch as this thread shows)
Patriots: 23-16 W (cold New England game; Mahomes hurt his hand at end of 1st hand on cold turf, looked off throwing the entire 2nd half, goal line stand to win it)
Broncos: 23-3 W (snow game, offense productive early, shut it down/conservative late)
Bears: 26-3 W (see previous week)
Los Angeles Chargers: 31-21 W (offense didn't do a lot, defense played well and Hardman returned a KO for a TD. This was also the game Damian Williams broke the 84-yard TD run)

And then what happened in the playoffs that year? The Chiefs offense dialed the execution up, Reid pulled stuff out of the playbook he had been saving, and the offense was an unstoppable force in the AFC playoff games. The 49ers - with an epic DL - slowed them in the Super Bowl but couldn't stop the Chiefs in the second half.

I actually feel pretty good that the offense is capable of and close to breaking out like that again. The pieces are there. Execution, execution, execution.
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Chris Meck 05:43 PM 12-07-2021
Originally Posted by htismaqe:
Let me take you one step further:

How many running teams do we have to watch lose in the playoffs with an ELITE running game before it ****ing sinks in that run heavy doesn't work?



:-)
I'm not advocating for HEAVY RUN.

Just a little more often, and a little less all or none. It seems like we run like a bunch one drive and then not again for long stretches.

I'd like to see a little less predictability, especially when we're not clicking in the passing game.

also, most heavy run teams have mediocre QB's and can't throw. If we run a little more while we're struggling to consistently pass, I think it will just open up the passing lanes more. I'm not saying we need to be Tennessee.
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ModSocks 05:49 PM 12-07-2021
I'm not looking for more running volume, but damn if we can't get more creative than zone run left, zone run right.
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stevegroganfan 07:16 PM 12-07-2021
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
How much fun is watching the Patriots fans right now? Year after year after year they win SBs with Brady and get this insane sense of entitlement and belief in The Patriot Way.

Now they have the same team we watched lose a dozen times over the last 30 years or so. We know how this game ends and they have no earthly idea.

God I'm looking forward to this. It's going to be beautiful.
Alex Smith lost a total of 4 playoff games with the Chiefs by a combined margin of 11 measly points. The biggest loss was to New England by 7 which isn't even a huge loss. Take that loss away, 3 losses by a grand total of 4 points.

Wouldn't you think those Chiefs team may have gotten over the hump to make a SB one of those years if Alex Smith was on an inexpensive rookie contract instead of being paid like a very good NFL starter? This just assumes Kansas City spent the extra money to work with somewhat wisely.

This is the advantage that Belichick has pretty much rarely had with Brady even if Brady didn't usually go for every last dollar as a free agent. Brady as a rookie didn't play. Brady his next two years, the Patriots still had to deal with Bledsoe's 100 million dollar contract. Brady's inexpensive rookie deal just lasted 3 years so Patriots never really had him on a rookie deal with paying Bledsoe.

The Patriots this year could lose their first playoff game at home even if they get the bye or play whoever you feel is the easiest opponent in round 1. Unlike Brady's first year starting, the Patriots are really not going to surprise anyone with what they do. A better Patriots team than at least 2 of the Super Bowl winning teams lost their first playoff game in 2010 to the Jets.
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IowaHawkeyeChief 07:18 PM 12-07-2021
Originally Posted by Detoxing:
I'm not looking for more running volume, but damn if we can't get more creative than zone run left, zone run right.
We actually ran some nice traps Sunday night...
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IowaHawkeyeChief 07:20 PM 12-07-2021
Originally Posted by Rain Man:
Yeah, I didn't trade up for the best passer in NFL history to run the ball.
i don't think many are advocating for RUN RUN RUN, just a little more balance when they are playing 2 high safeties and have only 6 in the box.
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petegz28 07:55 PM 12-07-2021
I thought the run\pass balance was fine against the Broncos. 29 passes, 20 runs. Probably have less passes and a few more runs if balls are not dropped thus allowing for more points thus allowing for more reason to run.

All in all we do have to run the ball more than we have in the past. It's pretty much a standard tactic against a 2 safety look. 7 in the box means run generally.
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DJ's left nut 08:07 PM 12-07-2021
Originally Posted by stevegroganfan:
Alex Smith lost a total of 4 playoff games with the Chiefs by a combined margin of 11 measly points. The biggest loss was to New England by 7 which isn't even a huge loss. Take that loss away, 3 losses by a grand total of 4 points.

Wouldn't you think those Chiefs team may have gotten over the hump to make a SB one of those years if Alex Smith was on an inexpensive rookie contract instead of being paid like a very good NFL starter? This just assumes Kansas City spent the extra money to work with somewhat wisely.

This is the advantage that Belichick has pretty much rarely had with Brady even if Brady didn't usually go for every last dollar as a free agent. Brady as a rookie didn't play. Brady his next two years, the Patriots still had to deal with Bledsoe's 100 million dollar contract. Brady's inexpensive rookie deal just lasted 3 years so Patriots never really had him on a rookie deal with paying Bledsoe.

The Patriots this year could lose their first playoff game at home even if they get the bye or play whoever you feel is the easiest opponent in round 1. Unlike Brady's first year starting, the Patriots are really not going to surprise anyone with what they do. A better Patriots team than at least 2 of the Super Bowl winning teams lost their first playoff game in 2010 to the Jets.
Like I said - this is gonna be SO great…

Enjoy.

I certainly will.
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