Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.
We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.
Thanks!
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Spoiler!
Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.
California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.
“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”
The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.
The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”
Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.
The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.
The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.
A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.
Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.
“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”
It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.
“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”
On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.
“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”
According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.
More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.
But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.
“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”
CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.
Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.
“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”
People should be wearing masks and distancing themselves. It's sound public health.
There is also a degree of difference in gathering in large groups to demonstrate anger over someone being murdered by a police officer and gathering in large groups to get drunk or bitch about a haircut, but continue with the false equivalency. [Reply]
Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins:
This is not over.
People should be wearing masks and distancing themselves. It's sound public health.
There is also a degree of difference in gathering in large groups to demonstrate anger over someone being murdered by a police officer and gathering in large groups to get drunk or bitch about a haircut, but continue with the false equivalency.
Wow you’re unbelievably full of shit. The fact that you believe all of these people are just angry protestors and a significant amount aren’t POS people taking advantage of the situation goes to show you aren’t as smart as you and everybody thinks you are.
Some people couldn’t even have a proper funeral for their loved ones and had to make sacrifices, but it’s ok for these idiots to gather and cause destruction all over the country when a stranger is killed?
Rioting with hundreds of others? Fine.
Getting a haircut in a shop with less than 10 people? You’re a POS.
Also, never said anything about gathering in large groups to get drunk. Those are your words. I’m talking about reasonable shit here. [Reply]
If this isn’t proof that I was right all along about this arrogant asshole having an agenda then I don’t know what is.
“False equivalency”
The fucking irony.
You’re right, it is a false equivalency. That’s the fucking point. Wanting to be able to live our lives (with reasonable social distancing measures) isn’t nearly as dangerous as what these riots are potentially doing in terms of spreading COVID.
Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins:
This is not over.
People should be wearing masks and distancing themselves. It's sound public health.
There is also a degree of difference in gathering in large groups to demonstrate anger over someone being murdered by a police officer and gathering in large groups to get drunk or bitch about a haircut, but continue with the false equivalency.
Since the Mayor of KC encouraged demonstrations today- he would get run out of town if he tries to stop football season because of the Covid panic. [Reply]
Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins:
There is also a degree of difference in gathering in large groups to demonstrate anger over someone being murdered by a police officer and gathering in large groups to get drunk or bitch about a haircut, but continue with the false equivalency.
A virus doesn't care how righteous someone's cause is. You're making the argument that one is a necessity and the other is not, however the results will still be the same. Actually, scratch that, based on sheer numbers alone the riots have the potential to cause exponentially more death and destruction. [Reply]
Originally Posted by petegz28:
As I understand it from an article I posted a couple weeks ago it takes about 1,000 to infect you. Supposedly we expel about 900 or so per minute of normal talking and breathing. As mask can push that down to 500ish but still does not prevent it, just buys you a bit of extra time. And you might be going crazy, looked outside lately??
The article I linked showed how a wet cloth significantly reduced droplets, measured from 20-500 micrometer without to unmeasurable otherwise.
Even if the numbers you mention about minimum exposure are true (and frankly, I have doubts since that’s on par with SARS), a mask still significantly reduces the exposure on both sides and if it’s a larger exposure as you believe, then masks seem to be the only thing necessary (quality of mask not withstanding). [Reply]
Originally Posted by staylor26:
It’s hilarious how the people that were shaming others for wanting to simply go back to living their lives have been absolutely silent about these riots and their potential danger in terms of spreading COVID.
To the person who downvoted this, choke on a dick [Reply]
Originally Posted by BleedingRed:
To the person who downvoted this, choke on a dick
I've done an outstanding job of justification in the RR Gripe thread while pointing out the hypocrisy and severe selfishness of one particular viewpoint.
It's really good and should settle everything. [Reply]
