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kccrow 03:01 PM 02-07-2020
I've been thinking about this, and I'm sure Veach does... Who do we have draft resources to replace or could we get the draft resources to replace? In my mind, right now, Sammy Watkins is not on that list. I don't think you can go out and get a WR of his caliber in the draft without spending a high pick, and then you're not going to replace those draft resources by trading Sammy. If you cut Sammy, you're losing the potential for any draft resources and all you are gaining is money. You're not replacing Sammy with a like receiver for less money than you could realistically spend if you restructure and extend him.

On the other hand, a player you can get substantial resources from and replace with those draft resources and still likely gain is Chris Jones. Jones is, in all likelihood, brining you a 1st round pick plus another pick and you're keeping free probably over 17.5 million per in cap space. So, even if you spend a 1st to replace Jones, you still gain a pick and probably 15 million to add to the roster after you deduct for added draft pick salaries. As much as I like Jones as a player, I really think the best way to make this team better is to tag and trade him and keep Sammy on an extension.
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Walt White 08:14 PM 02-07-2020
Originally Posted by kccrow:
I've been thinking about this, and I'm sure Veach does... Who do we have draft resources to replace or could we get the draft resources to replace? In my mind, right now, Sammy Watkins is not on that list. I don't think you can go out and get a WR of his caliber in the draft without spending a high pick, and then you're not going to replace those draft resources by trading Sammy. If you cut Sammy, you're losing the potential for any draft resources and all you are gaining is money. You're not replacing Sammy with a like receiver for less money than you could realistically spend if you restructure and extend him.

On the other hand, a player you can get substantial resources from and replace with those draft resources and still likely gain is Chris Jones. Jones is, in all likelihood, brining you a 1st round pick plus another pick and you're keeping free probably over 17.5 million per in cap space. So, even if you spend a 1st to replace Jones, you still gain a pick and probably 15 million to add to the roster after you deduct for added draft pick salaries. As much as I like Jones as a player, I really think the best way to make this team better is to tag and trade him and keep Sammy on an extension.
I can agree with that. I hope we can find a way to keep Jones. But I don't know if it will be realistic. It helps that we have a lot of young talent on the D Line ready to step up. And staples to our defense like Clark and Honey Badger on the roster. Depth on defense likely makes our defense better. Maybe it is still possible if we can keep Jones but we will see.
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Couch-Potato 08:27 AM 02-08-2020
I don't see us going WR early, fine with D Rob walking, would love to see us keep Watkins at a lower contract but more likely we find a quality vet for cheap. Chris Jones Tag'n Trade seems likely. Maybe Chiefs end up with Watkins > Jones.

Q: If offered a fair contract, why would AJ Green choose NE over KC?

Here's some vets that could replace Robinson/Watkins: Emanual Sanders, Phillip Dorsett, Robby Anderson, Demarius Thomas, Jermaine Kearse.
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Hoover 12:18 PM 02-08-2020
a 1st round WR this year would be an over investment in the position IMO.

We Paid Hill top WR money he's only 25
We used our top pick on Hardman last offseason

Im not opposed to drafting one, but not one in the first round. We have bigger needs on the line and at CB.
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duncan_idaho 12:25 PM 02-08-2020
Originally Posted by Hoover:
a 1st round WR this year would be an over investment in the position IMO.

We Paid Hill top WR money he's only 25
We used our top pick on Hardman last offseason

Im not opposed to drafting one, but not one in the first round. We have bigger needs on the line and at CB.

And this is a deep draft for WR talent. Guys like Tyler Johnson or Von Henderson are good fits and may make it to the 4th round.
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kccrow 06:18 PM 02-08-2020
I was kind of thinking how sick Jalen Reagor could be as an addition. Which speed are you covering?
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Hog's Gone Fishin 03:56 PM 02-09-2020
It's really not a bad idea to take a WR in the 1st. If I heard right there are like 52 WR's invited to the combine which is a HUGE pool to choose from. When you have a pool like this the quality you can pick up is off the charts.

We can draft defense with the rest of the draft.
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Chief Roundup 04:15 PM 02-09-2020
If there is not a LT, CB or Pass Rusher worthy then I hope we trade back.
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Chargem 04:20 PM 02-09-2020
It's sort of win win, either an elite guy drops to the end of the round due to the depth of talent, or what we can get in the third might be as good as what was in the 2nd round last year and it's sort of like trading up for free.
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wachashi 09:30 AM 02-10-2020
The only reason a team would trade for Sammy right now is if they thought it was very likely he would restructure with the Chiefs at a big pay cut. In that scenario, they'd contact the Chiefs with a trade deal and offer Sammy better compensation. Otherwise, you'd just wait for him to be cut and scoop him up.

It seems very unlikely that we would receive any draft picks for Sammy at this point.
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kccrow 06:17 PM 04-15-2020
Been thinking about this again. The more I look at boards and who the Chiefs have looked at, the more Tee Higgins looks like a real possibility at 32. I really like Higgins for a variety of reasons but being that big target when things get tight in the red zone helps his cause more than any other.
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staylor26 06:20 PM 04-15-2020
Originally Posted by kccrow:
Been thinking about this again. The more I look at boards and who the Chiefs have looked at, the more Tee Higgins looks like a real possibility at 32. I really like Higgins for a variety of reasons but being that big target when things get tight in the red zone helps his cause more than any other.
Higgins would be very hard to pass on. He would compliment Hardman and Hill perfectly.
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chiefpat49 06:35 PM 04-15-2020
The guy that fits perfectly in this offense and you can get him late second or early to mid 3rd round is Lynn Bowden Jr. His size and skill set is a perfect match. He is a dynamic receiver and punt returner plus he also played QB, Andy could use him in multiple ways.
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Rain Man 07:32 PM 04-15-2020
I want to give Mahomes toys, but I don't see spending a first on a WR. He'd be fourth or fifth in line for touches. We're not a place where we're developing people. We're in a place where we're trying to put the best 22 on the field so we can keep winning Super Bowls. We should be concentrating on short term goals from my perspective.
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kccrow 01:25 AM 04-16-2020
Originally Posted by Rain Man:
I want to give Mahomes toys, but I don't see spending a first on a WR. He'd be fourth or fifth in line for touches. We're not a place where we're developing people. We're in a place where we're trying to put the best 22 on the field so we can keep winning Super Bowls. We should be concentrating on short term goals from my perspective.
I can agree with you in terms of the 1st round pick but that's a place where I'm more of the thought that you just look to improve a spot regardless. If it fills an immediate need, then great.

Outside of that, I honestly hope Veach takes the exact opposite approach. I think you are, ideally, drafting to replace what you expect to lose. The Chiefs stand to lose a starter and/or quality depth in 2021 at WR, CB, DE, RB, and SLB. You look at difficulties players have digesting Reid's playbook, drafting a couple of WRs in 2021 is less than ideal. You'd like to see one come this year.
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