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Nzoner's Game Room>***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***
JakeF 10:28 PM 02-26-2020
A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

Click here for the original OP:

Spoiler!

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MahomesMagic 09:27 AM 08-29-2020
Originally Posted by lewdog:
Quite possibly your dumbest take yet. There’s no permanent immunity going about this the natural way, so it will always been present in much higher numbers than if a vaccine is present in this scenario.
That's cool that you have a view that is contrary to many of the top scientists on this one. "Permanent Immunity" is not the goal. Population Resistance is.

If you are so smart explain how with no masks, washing hands, and voluntary social distancing Sweden has brought daily deaths down to about zero? Explain how they lifted the limit on 50 people at an event to 500..without immunity or resistance?

Susceptible
Infected
Recovered

that's basic stuff. Yet you think we need a new model for all this?!
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lewdog 09:31 AM 08-29-2020
Originally Posted by petegz28:
Says???? We have permanent immunity to millions of viruses and have since the beginning of man via "the natural way". That's a pretty bold statement I don't think you can substantially substantiate with any substantive substance.
Interesting that scientist are claiming a vaccine may be good for 2-3 years of protection from this virus yet you’re saying get it once and you’re protected for life. That’s not how this virus, or even the flu virus works.
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lewdog 09:33 AM 08-29-2020
Originally Posted by MahomesMagic:
That's cool that you have a view that is contrary to many of the top scientists on this one. "Permanent Immunity" is not the goal. Population Resistance is.

If you are so smart explain how with no masks, washing hands, and voluntary social distancing Sweden has brought daily deaths down to about zero? Explain how they lifted the limit on 50 people at an event to 500..without immunity or resistance?

Susceptible
Infected
Recovered

that's basic stuff. Yet you think we need a new model for all this?!
I’m talking long term plan to return to normal.

All of your stated is easier achieved with a vaccine. Can you argue against that?!
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Pasta Little Brioni 09:36 AM 08-29-2020
Originally Posted by Chief Roundup:
What is your definition of normal?
You do realize that Sweden still has a growing number of cases?
Cases :-)
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MahomesMagic 09:45 AM 08-29-2020
Originally Posted by lewdog:
I’m talking long term plan to return to normal.

All of your stated is easier achieved with a vaccine. Can you argue against that?!
Vaccines are less effective than recovering from an actual infection. That is not disputed by people that create them.
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Chief Roundup 09:47 AM 08-29-2020
Originally Posted by Pasta Giant Meatball:
Cases :-)
With more cases comes more deaths.
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lewdog 09:51 AM 08-29-2020
Originally Posted by MahomesMagic:
Vaccines are less effective than recovering from an actual infection. That is not disputed by people that create them.
Alright, you heard it here! Everyone go out and just get COVID! Easier than a vaccine!

Your entire argument is based on Sweden, a country of 10 million. A country that has one city with over 1 million people. Compared to a large country like the USA with numerous densely populated areas. Seems like a poor comparison. I’m all for keeping all business open while requiring masks and social distancing in the USA. But a country this large WILL need a vaccine to to return to normal and a vaccine will get us there quicker too.
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Donger 09:51 AM 08-29-2020
Originally Posted by Pasta Giant Meatball:
Cases :-)
Why is that funny?
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MahomesMagic 09:56 AM 08-29-2020
Originally Posted by lewdog:
Alright, you heard it here! Everyone go out and just get COVID! Easier than a vaccine!

Your entire argument is based on Sweden, a country of 10 million. A country that has one city with over 1 million people. Compared to a large country like the USA with numerous densely populated areas. Seems like a poor comparison. I’m all for keeping all business open while requiring masks and social distancing in the USA. But a country this large WILL need a vaccine to to return to normal and a vaccine will get us there quicker too.
Sweden has a higher percentage of people living in an urban area than the United States.
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lewdog 10:06 AM 08-29-2020
Originally Posted by MahomesMagic:
Sweden has a higher percentage of people living in an urban area than the United States.
What, something like 87% compared to 83% from what I've read? That's not a significant enough difference. The sheer volume of hospitalizations/deaths is the USA will definitely be greater because we have 300+M more people living in this country. A vaccine absolutely helps a large country get back to normal quicker.
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Chiefnj2 10:17 AM 08-29-2020
Originally Posted by MahomesMagic:
We don't need vaccines to return to normal.

See Sweden.
The U.S. has had 54.55 COVID-related deaths per 100,000 people and a fatality rate of 3.1%, less than half the rate of Sweden.

You would be happier with double the death rate and still no herd immunity?
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Pasta Little Brioni 10:22 AM 08-29-2020
Originally Posted by Donger:
Why is that funny?
Question boy with another question
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MahomesMagic 10:24 AM 08-29-2020
Originally Posted by Chiefnj2:
The U.S. has had 54.55 COVID-related deaths per 100,000 people and a fatality rate of 3.1%, less than half the rate of Sweden.

You would be happier with double the death rate and still no herd immunity?
There is theoretical herd immunity and then effective herd immunity. It looks like when we hit between 15 and 20 percent seroprevalence that Covid starts to break apart and head down.

See Arizona.
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Donger 10:24 AM 08-29-2020
Originally Posted by Pasta Giant Meatball:
Question boy with another question
Well, it seems that you either aren't aware that it all starts with cases/infections. Or, you are aware and you don't care about them or think they are funny.

Which is very odd.
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MahomesMagic 10:27 AM 08-29-2020
Originally Posted by Donger:
Well, it seems that you either aren't aware that it all starts with cases/infections. Or, you are aware and you don't care about them or think they are funny.

Which is very odd.
Cases are not infections. We aren't testing for active infections.
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