MI - 149,000 votes
NV - 37,000 votes and growing
WI - 21,000 votes pending a recount
PA - 47,000 votes and growing
AZ - 13,000 votes and shrinking (but not shrinking fast enough)
GA - 14,000 votes pending a recount
Edit - he needs at least 3 of these to change to flip the electoral college; it's not happening.
Recounts change totals on the order of hundreds, not thousands, and his time is up.
Results need to be certified end of November
Electors vote on 12/14.
When does trump give up this hopeless fight? [Reply]
Originally Posted by KC_Connection:
Not to this extent. And this isn't just dirty politics. This appears to be an active attempt to subvert US democracy at its core with blatant lies and sham lawsuits with no evidence.
That's an obvious lie. Why can't you people on the left stop lying? What the hell is wrong with you? [Reply]
Originally Posted by KC_Connection:
Not to this extent. And this isn't just dirty politics. This appears to be an active attempt to subvert US democracy at its core with blatant lies and sham lawsuits with no evidence. It may not actually work this time (the institutions in place are likely too strong), but it sets the precedent for attempts like this in the future. He's normalized such behavior now and I wouldn't be surprised if we saw elements of it from both sides following future elections. World history tells us that democracies like the US has are far more fragile than we like to admit.
For a brief description of what the sham lawsuits could actually accomplish (especially if there are an unprincipled few in power willing to go along with them):
But at least what trump is Doing is legal (so far). Obama used the intelligence agencies to spy on a political opponent. Once upon a time a president resigned because he sent 5 knuckleheads to try and spy on a political opponent. Obama used the full weight of an entire agency that is supposed to serve the national security of the United States. And the media won’t even talk about it.
Forgive me if I have a hard time believing Trump is the root of all evil. He’s certainly not blameless in any of this, and at the end of it all, he probably escalated it some. However I have a hard time believing the problem starts and ends with Trump. [Reply]
So self-centered, people like KC_C not only want society to work perfectly in their favor, they want the IMPERFECTIONS of society to work in their favor as well.
There's a good kind and bad kind of corruption
There's a good kind and bad kind of lying
There's a good kind and bad kind of fraud
Good and bad defined by their power interests.
And if you employ the bad kind, OR EXPOSE the good kind, there will unrest because of their emotional reaction to the power balance. [Reply]
... Software is really stupid stuff. It does not go off on its own, has no mind of its own, and there is no intelligence anywhere in code. It performs instructions and does them over and over, exactly the same every time, no matter what.
Until something changes.
Something changing is not a "glitch." It is a change.
Software does not wake up in the morning and suddenly shift 6,000 votes from candidate A to candidate B, as in Biden....
If a computer system appears to wake up in the night, when a national election has stopped counting votes, and "glitches" votes from one candidate to another, guess what: it isn't the standard code. Something changed and it is discoverable in the log files. If there are no logs, it can usually be found in places where the application is writing to a database....
Competent forensic investigators know just where to look. They are likely to find that someone changed something, and it was not a "glitch." [Reply]
Originally Posted by Baby Lee:
So self-centered, people like KC_C not only want society to work perfectly in their favor, they want the IMPERFECTIONS of society to work in their favor as well.
There's a good kind and bad kind of corruption
There's a good kind and bad kind of lying
There's a good kind and bad kind of fraud
Good and bad defined by their power interests.
And if you employ the bad kind, OR EXPOSE the good kind, there will unrest because of their emotional reaction to the power balance.
Once you accept the reality that the underlying requirement of the modern left is the belief, conscious or otherwise, in the absence of morality outside of the goals of the state, it all becomes obvious. [Reply]
But at least what trump is Doing is legal (so far). Obama used the intelligence agencies to spy on a political opponent. Once upon a time a president resigned because he sent 5 knuckleheads to try and spy on a political opponent. Obama used the full weight of an entire agency that is supposed to serve the national security of the United States. And the media won’t even talk about it.
Forgive me if I have a hard time believing Trump is the root of all evil. He’s certainly not blameless in any of this, and at the end of it all, he probably escalated it some. However I have a hard time believing the problem starts and ends with Trump.
Getting you to believe things like this is why Trump thinks he can convince you that the election was stolen. He knows his fans are low-IQ, gullible saps. [Reply]
But at least what trump is Doing is legal (so far). Obama used the intelligence agencies to spy on a political opponent. Once upon a time a president resigned because he sent 5 knuckleheads to try and spy on a political opponent. Obama used the full weight of an entire agency that is supposed to serve the national security of the United States. And the media won’t even talk about it.
Forgive me if I have a hard time believing Trump is the root of all evil. He’s certainly not blameless in any of this, and at the end of it all, he probably escalated it some. However I have a hard time believing the problem starts and ends with Trump.
They hate that we had a President who didn't coward to the MSM and Left's barrage... [Reply]
Originally Posted by Just Passin' By:
Once you accept the reality that the underlying requirement of the modern left is the belief, conscious or otherwise, in the absence of morality outside of the goals of the state, it all becomes obvious.
You don't actually believe that, do you? Is this Opposite Day? [Reply]
Originally Posted by cosmo20002:
Getting you to believe things like this is why Trump thinks he can convince you that the election was stolen. He knows his fans are low-IQ, gullible saps.
Damn. Ok.
I didn’t know that’s the position you’re operating from.
I guess we really don’t have anything left to discuss then. [Reply]