Here's the thing about the political aspects for me. I think this show tries to attack the extreme aspects. We are a divided country right now and social media is a big part of that. The line that keeps ringing in my head is from storm fronts first confrontation with Homeland
"you need the whole country to love you. I need 5 million that are fucking pissed"
They are pulling from the more extreme aspects of trump and his fear mongering but it's hard to say it's not true when i jump on YouTube and see an ad for trump telling me biden is going to destroy America by allowing Syrian refugees to increase bay 700%. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Chitownchiefsfan:
Here's the thing about the political aspects for me. I think this show tries to attack the extreme aspects. We are a divided country right now and social media is a big part of that. The line that keeps ringing in my head is from storm fronts first confrontation with Homeland
"you need the whole country to love you. I need 5 million that are ****ing pissed"
They are pulling from the more extreme aspects of trump and his fear mongering but it's hard to say it's not true when i jump on YouTube and see an ad for trump telling me biden is going to destroy America by allowing Syrian refugees to increase bay 700%.
The fact the show makes you think of any of that is the problem. [Reply]
I try to look at it like the old Star Trek; it would take on issues of the current time with a different spin so you didn't know you were being preached to. [Reply]
Originally Posted by crayzkirk:
Wait? It's over already? Only eight episodes?
I try to look at it like the old Star Trek; it would take on issues of the current time with a different spin so you didn't know you were being preached to.
Except the showrunner has already done interviews stating that he wanted to put White Supremacy and and White Nationalism on display. Also, I don't recall Roddenberry being so blatant about his politics in the 60's. Subtle, sure, but not blatant.
“That character is a legitimate Nazi who comes out of the Nazi party and who ages very slowly. And so that was the character I walked into the Season 2 writers’ room with. I felt, through that, we could say a lot of things I wanted to say about white nationalism and white supremacy, and really take aim,” creator and showrunner Eric Kripke tells Variety. “What we found was the modern face of hate — especially online and social media-driven hate — is actually quite attractive: It’s a lot of good-looking, young men and women who couch these really despicable notions in this branding of ‘We’re just free-thinkers’ and ‘We don’t fit in with the mainstream because we’re telling the truth.’ But it’s the same old s— that people have been pitching for thousands of years.” [Reply]
Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud:
Except the showrunner has already done interviews stating that he wanted to put White Supremacy and and White Nationalism on display. Also, I don't recall Roddenberry being so blatant about his politics in the 60's. Subtle, sure, but not blatant.
“That character is a legitimate Nazi who comes out of the Nazi party and who ages very slowly. And so that was the character I walked into the Season 2 writers’ room with. I felt, through that, we could say a lot of things I wanted to say about white nationalism and white supremacy, and really take aim,” creator and showrunner Eric Kripke tells Variety. “What we found was the modern face of hate — especially online and social media-driven hate — is actually quite attractive: It’s a lot of good-looking, young men and women who couch these really despicable notions in this branding of ‘We’re just free-thinkers’ and ‘We don’t fit in with the mainstream because we’re telling the truth.’ But it’s the same old s— that people have been pitching for thousands of years.”
So... It's a bad thing to have white supremists as bad guys? [Reply]
Originally Posted by Chitownchiefsfan:
So... It's a bad thing to have white supremists as bad guys?
Don't be stupid, the point was whether the narrative was vague and allegorical like Star Trek, or pointed and specific like the showrunner said his intention was. [Reply]
I was a huge dedicant of the comic series, which is one of the best stories I've ever read. It's different - because it's a different medium and things have to be different.
The political overtones are present, but were present in the comic series as well - so it doesn't jump out or surprise me (I'm also not a snowflake).
Spoiler!
Victoria Neumann being the show replacement for Vic the Veep from the comics - Vaught's planted Manchurian Candidate - circles it back around to the core message of the comics (a critique of corporate greed, influence, hypocrisy, and capitalism). Yes, they're talking about social justice and white nationalism and weaponizing media and internet campaigns... but it's all window dressing. Stan Edgar, the CEO of Vaught, reminded us what it's all about when talking to Butcher... stock prices. Money. Influence.
"One of the reasons that we're getting into Soldier Boy [in season 3] and that team, Payback, is we're interested in exploring a little bit of how we got here," Kripke said. "Through the history of the supes, we can tell a little bit about the history of America and how we ended up in the current fraught position that we're in. Soldier Boy gives us an opportunity to do that."
By "fraught position," he means our current climate in which people are fighting against white supremacy and systemic racism. “Certain politicians like to pitch this somehow idyllic ‘good old days’ where everything was perfect and calm. That is complete and utter bulls---," Kripke added. "It was never that way. So, by exploring the history of Vought in the history of America, we get to make some of those points. There was never an America when they say ‘Make America Great Again.’ It was always a struggle. That's the point. It's a struggle to make things better."
Originally Posted by BigBeauford:
They are going to ****ing ruin this show:
"One of the reasons that we're getting into Soldier Boy [in season 3] and that team, Payback, is we're interested in exploring a little bit of how we got here," Kripke said. "Through the history of the supes, we can tell a little bit about the history of America and how we ended up in the current fraught position that we're in. Soldier Boy gives us an opportunity to do that."
By "fraught position," he means our current climate in which people are fighting against white supremacy and systemic racism. “Certain politicians like to pitch this somehow idyllic ‘good old days’ where everything was perfect and calm. That is complete and utter bulls---," Kripke added. "It was never that way. So, by exploring the history of Vought in the history of America, we get to make some of those points. There was never an America when they say ‘Make America Great Again.’ It was always a struggle. That's the point. It's a struggle to make things better."
Originally Posted by BigBeauford:
They are going to fucking ruin this show:
"One of the reasons that we're getting into Soldier Boy [in season 3] and that team, Payback, is we're interested in exploring a little bit of how we got here," Kripke said. "Through the history of the supes, we can tell a little bit about the history of America and how we ended up in the current fraught position that we're in. Soldier Boy gives us an opportunity to do that."
By "fraught position," he means our current climate in which people are fighting against white supremacy and systemic racism. “Certain politicians like to pitch this somehow idyllic ‘good old days’ where everything was perfect and calm. That is complete and utter bulls---," Kripke added. "It was never that way. So, by exploring the history of Vought in the history of America, we get to make some of those points. There was never an America when they say ‘Make America Great Again.’ It was always a struggle. That's the point. It's a struggle to make things better."
Originally Posted by Bowser:
Just tell a good story and leave YOUR personal takes on political America out of it, Kripke. FFS
Kripke isn't well informed in comic lore saying Superman is a perfect example of white supremacy when it was written and created by two Jewish men. [Reply]
Get woke, go broke. I've mostly loved the show but if the creators are gonna keep spewing this filth then I wont shed a tear when the show inevitably gets cancelled. It would be a shame because all of the pieces are there for this thing to become legendary. [Reply]
