Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.
We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.
Thanks!
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Spoiler!
Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.
California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.
“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”
The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.
The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”
Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.
The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.
The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.
A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.
Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.
“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”
It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.
“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”
On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.
“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”
According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.
More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.
But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.
“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”
CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.
Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.
“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”
Originally Posted by DaFace:
That's the way all clinical trials work.
It depends. If there is something where placebo would lead to demise, it's a violation to offer it only-- in cases of oncology trials, there is always an active comparator. [Reply]
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In a rare bit of good news from Gov. Andrew Cuomo Wednesday press conference, he said there is some evidence that the social distancing measures taken by New York residents are working. To demonstrate, he pointed to projections of how many hospital beds will be needed in the state to treat patients. As of Sunday, he said, the projection was hospitalizations would double every two days. But on money, the projection shifted, with doubling expected every 3.4 days. The trend continued Tuesday as doubling expected every 4.7 days.
FYI. My family members in Argentina just told me that the country is in lockdown and arresting people in public. Buenos Aires Roads are closed with military and airport is shut down. No one can be outside their homes without proper credentials. [Reply]
Originally Posted by carlos3652:
FYI. My family members in Argentina just told me that the country is in lockdown and arresting people in public. Buenos Aires Roads are closed with military and airport is shut down. No one can be outside their homes without proper credentials.
Originally Posted by carlos3652:
FYI. My family members in Argentina just told me that the country is in lockdown and arresting people in public. Buenos Aires Roads are closed with military and airport is shut down. No one can be outside their homes without proper credentials.
Are these proactive measures to keep it from getting out of control or reactive because it already is?
Either way, hoping for the best for the family...and everyone else that lives there. [Reply]
I’m sure if we look closely - there are many more countries in more restrict lock down that are being reported. It’s not just us, we aren’t enforcing them at that length. [Reply]
Originally Posted by mac459:
You remember the other day you got bitchy at me for asking you questions, because I was behind the curve. Due to a buddy of mine killing himself.
Well he killed himself because he sank his entire life savings into starting a business. Around $750,000 or so, he was still getting it off the ground, when everything started happening.
So you need to shut the **** up about “exaggerating” bullshit, because what DJ said is a very real thing. Just because you live a sheltered life and make it obvious that you have very little real world experience. Doesn’t mean people out there aren’t killing themselves, or will do it. So it’s obviously the case and you don’t know it.
Sorry about your friend. That sucks!
That said I think you misunderstood my post. I'm in favor of practicing social distance which is what our President, most Governors and the best medical professionals in the world have recommended. DJ clearly thinks he knows better than those people and I think that's ridiculous. Not only is this country practicing it but most of the world is as well.
I'm pretty sure if, overall, not practicing social distance would save lives those same experts would advocate that instead.
Add to that I don't think not practicing social distancing it is going to stop people from killing themselves. If we weren't practicing it this virus would be spreading like crazy and more people would die. Not exactly good for people's mental health. Businesses would still struggle because most people wouldn't want to go out due to how bad the virus would be spreading. So the economy would still suck. How bad it would suck is anyone's guess but it definitely would not be good.
When I said exaggerating I meant DJ is acting like the people who are killing themselves would not be doing the same thing if we were not practicing social distancing and I think that's a huge stretch and frankly there's no way to know.
Originally Posted by kcxiv:
that one who sucks the penis is acting like alot of people have ****ing choices to save up that kind of money before they move, that some sheltered bullshit talk there! lol
Anyways, sorry about your buddy man! That sucks! condolences :-)
That is not what I meant at all. I just meant that we will get through this and it is always good to prepare for the worst. Is it going to suck? Yes but in the end I think financially most Americans will bounce back from this in a big way. [Reply]
Originally Posted by carlos3652:
Proactive at this point. 387 cases 8 deaths so far.
2500 people have been arrested so far and they are planning on putting more restrictions today.
Will be interesting to see how effective that is, I'm not aware of another country that has taken that aggressive of an approach. Would love to hear updates if you don't mind. [Reply]
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Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy:
Sorry about your friend. That sucks!
That said I think you misunderstood my post. I'm in favor of practicing social distance which is what our President, most Governors and the best medical professionals in the world have recommended. DJ clearly thinks he knows better than those people and I think that's ridiculous. Not only is this country practicing it but most of the world is as well.
I'm pretty sure if, overall, not practicing social distance would save lives those same experts would advocate that instead.
Add to that I don't think not practicing social distancing it is going to stop people from killing themselves. If we weren't practicing it this virus would be spreading like crazy and more people would die. Not exactly good for people's mental health. Businesses would still struggle because most people wouldn't want to go out due to how bad the virus would be spreading. So the economy would still suck. How bad it would suck is anyone's guess but it definitely would not be good.
When I said exaggerating I meant DJ is acting like the people who are killing themselves would not be doing the same thing if we were not practicing social distancing and I think that's a huge stretch and frankly there's no way to know.
That is not what I meant at all. I just meant that we will get through this and it is always good to prepare for the worst. Is it going to suck? Yes but in the end I think financially most Americans will bounce back from this in a big way.
I do enjoy it when you're incapable of speaking directly to the points I've made so instead substitute your own wildly divergent arguments in their place.
That's okay - you've made your point clear. Mac's friends death is irrelevant and shouldn't be considered in determining policy decision. He was just going to kill himself anyway. He was just looking for an excuse.
Keep on back-pedaling, sweetheart. Obviously considering mental health outcomes in the face of a global financial catastrophe is just putting dollars ahead of lives. [Reply]
