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Nzoner's Game Room>***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***
JakeF 10:28 PM 02-26-2020
A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

Click here for the original OP:

Spoiler!

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petegz28 06:00 PM 07-01-2020
Originally Posted by Bearcat:
So, you don't think if there was a large umbrella-like thing between your hand and the drywall, that it wouldn't make a difference in the amount of dust headed towards your face?
A large umbrella thing? Be kinda hard to sand drywall with a large umbrella thing in front of me, wouldn't it???
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petegz28 06:01 PM 07-01-2020
Originally Posted by TLO:
I haven't really looked at much of the research on masks. Is there anything that says even basic cloth or surgical masks can block the intake of droplets from others?
Wearing them to protect you from intake is not going to do much. People will claim it will and if used in a very, very strict way it could. But between gaps in the masks, people touching the mask with their hands, the mask sitting up close to your eyes, etc.....in all practical terms it won't help much unless the droplets are big.
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KS Smitty 06:03 PM 07-01-2020
Originally Posted by petegz28:
A large umbrella thing? Be kinda hard to sand drywall with a large umbrella thing in front of me, wouldn't it???
Which is why it's a silly comparison.
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Bearcat 06:03 PM 07-01-2020
Originally Posted by Bugeater:
I have no idea if it was dumb or not. If I covered my face with a cloth mask and sanded drywall for an hour and my mouth and nose were full of dust when finished, I'd say it's a valid point.
My 2 cents would be...
- You're blasting your face with dust, so even if your mask only lets in 10% of everything, that 10% is going to be significant. It's still blocking 90% of it.

- You're probably not getting blasted with Covid like you would with drywall dust.

- As allewded to (see what I did there), if Covid dude's mask is blocking even 50% of things leaving his mouth with a mask, and you're blocking another 50 or 60 or 95% of things going into yours... it's going to help. Maybe it reduces the risk from 20% to 10% or whatever, for that particle to fly into your mouth.
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Bearcat 06:05 PM 07-01-2020
Originally Posted by petegz28:
A large umbrella thing? Be kinda hard to sand drywall with a large umbrella thing in front of me, wouldn't it???

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lewdog 06:07 PM 07-01-2020
Watch to see how far droplets travel in various masks.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/abc13.c...demic/6287825/

I can’t embed video for some reason.
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Bugeater 06:08 PM 07-01-2020
Originally Posted by petegz28:
A large umbrella thing? Be kinda hard to sand drywall with a large umbrella thing in front of me, wouldn't it???
I'm thinking about trying it... :-)
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tk13 06:11 PM 07-01-2020
Originally Posted by TLO:
I haven't really looked at much of the research on masks. Is there anything that says even basic cloth or surgical masks can block the intake of droplets from others?
Everything I've seen has said it's much less about blocking intake than blocking output. These guys used a basic washcloth and showed how it blocked a large amount of particles coming out of the guy's mouth. There's even a video.

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2007800
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petegz28 06:12 PM 07-01-2020
Originally Posted by lewdog:
Watch to see how far droplets travel in various masks.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/abc13.c...demic/6287825/

I can’t embed video for some reason.
So if it's blocking that much on the way out, how much air do you think it's blocking on the way in?

I can tell you now since we have had to wear these more and more at work and such after about 15-20 mins of a mask on, even a surgical one, I start getting a sore throat. Not terribly sore or enough to make me pull the mask off but noticeable.
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petegz28 06:13 PM 07-01-2020
Originally Posted by tk13:
Everything I've seen has said it's much less about blocking intake than blocking output. These guys used a basic washcloth and showed how it blocked a large amount of particles coming out of the guy's mouth. There's even a video.

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2007800
It is about blocking but when I brought that up a few weeks ago suddenly Donger and a few others started the whole "it goes both ways" argument.
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lewdog 06:15 PM 07-01-2020
Originally Posted by petegz28:
So if it's blocking that much on the way out, how much air do you think it's blocking on the way in?

I can tell you now since we have had to wear these more and more at work and such after about 15-20 mins of a mask on, even a surgical one, I start getting a sore throat. Not terribly sore or enough to make me pull the mask off but noticeable.
You’re a ****ing pussy then. We wear them 8+ hours a day. Pregnant woman nurses in full PPE gear.

If wearing a mask causes you that many problems, you shouldn’t be leaving the house in a pandemic because you’re clearly not healthy.
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petegz28 06:16 PM 07-01-2020
Originally Posted by TLO:
We're gonna be under that by a lot.
We cracked the 50k mark so the media is creaming themselves. But yes, it looks like we are going to be under the 819 by well over 100 deaths. :-)
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petegz28 06:17 PM 07-01-2020
Originally Posted by lewdog:
You’re a ****ing pussy then. We wear them 8+ hours a day. Pregnant woman nurses in full PPE gear.

If wearing a mask causes you that many problems, you shouldn’t be leaving the house in a pandemic because you’re clearly not healthy.
Well you're a fucking tough guy......how'd those masks work out for you again?

Sorry, you made me go there with the pussy remark. Now go have a Manhattan and :-) before you get the ring hand.
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loochy 06:22 PM 07-01-2020
Originally Posted by lewdog:
You’re a ****ing pussy then. We wear them 8+ hours a day. Pregnant woman nurses in full PPE gear.

If wearing a mask causes you that many problems, you shouldn’t be leaving the house in a pandemic because you’re clearly not healthy.
He clearly has a Planet Fitness-esque work ethic and pain tolerance.
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lewdog 06:22 PM 07-01-2020
Originally Posted by petegz28:
Well you're a ****ing tough guy......how'd those masks work out for you again?

Sorry, you made me go there with the pussy remark. Now go have a Manhattan and :-) before you get the ring hand.
And since then we’ve tightened our PPE use even further, now including masks and face shields. Even wearing them in our therapy office, which is how we probably shared it last time because we were laxed around each other.
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