Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.
We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.
Thanks!
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Spoiler!
Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.
California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.
“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”
The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.
The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”
Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.
The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.
The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.
A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.
Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.
“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”
It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.
“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”
On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.
“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”
According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.
More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.
But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.
“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”
CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.
Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.
“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”
Originally Posted by petegz28:
Don't worry, when they do we can expect you will be there to summarily dismiss it out of hand or otherwise move the goal posts because it doesn't fit your narrative.
Mecca will make a political post and pretend he didn't know it was political
Hamas will break it down to some scientific minutia
etc., etc....
And so the world turns
This is how I envision you when you read your posts in the thread...
I forsee some issues coming up in Calfornia and Texas because the reflatulation rate of the virus is increasing while the hospitalization rate is showing signs of geospreading. A lot of these skeptics are just cheese grating the numbers to make the situation look better than it is. [Reply]
Originally Posted by tk13:
I forsee some issues coming up in Calfornia and Texas because the reflatulation rate of the virus is increasing while the hospitalization rate is showing signs of geospreading. A lot of these skeptics are just cheese grating the numbers to make the situation look better than it is.
Foresee issues?? Foresee? Hello! California passed NJ for the #2 state in total cases yesterday. Don't go out on any limbs, bro. :-) [Reply]
Originally Posted by Eleazar:
Skepticism is healthy and seeing other perspectives is important. People can evaluate it and do with it as they wish.
When you realize how those graphs were actually made they are about as helpful if during a nice discussion someone stood up and shit on the floor. [Reply]
Yes, it's a shame to see what's happening in California:
The number of people hospitalized with confirmed coronavirus infections in California was up 16% over the last two weeks, rising to 3,702 as of Sunday. Of them, 1,199 were in the intensive care unit, an 11% jump over the same period. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Mecca:
When you realize how those graphs were actually made they are about as helpful if during a nice discussion someone stood up and shit on the floor.
If those with intelligent thoughts want to thoughtfully object to this person's read on the situation on a factual basis, great. I will read that and consider it. If others think it's silly and just want to ignore it, fine. No problem there.
People like you who are followers or Grover Dills and just want to do some jeering can be dismissed without fear of losing anything important. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Eleazar:
If those with intelligent thoughts want to thoughtfully object to this person's read on the situation on a factual basis, great. I will read that and consider it. If others think it's silly and just want to ignore it, fine. No problem there.
People like you who are followers or Grover Dills and just want to do some jeering can be dismissed without fear of losing anything important.
Originally Posted by Eleazar:
If those with intelligent thoughts want to thoughtfully object to this person's read on the situation on a factual basis, great. I will read that and consider it. If others think it's silly and just want to ignore it, fine. No problem there.
People like you who are followers or Grover Dills and just want to do some jeering can be dismissed without fear of losing anything important.
What is this person's read on the situation? I've gone through it a few times, and I still don't know specifically. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Eleazar:
Skepticism is healthy and seeing other perspectives is important. People can evaluate it and do with it as they wish.
Skepticism is healthy.... flat out lying and making up stuff is not only useless, but is just as damaging as a portion of the media being hysterical, which is what he's clearly against.
Yeah, it's easy to say "if you don't believe it, that's fine".... but, what if people aren't wearing masks or taking any precautions because they believe in pretty graphs that aren't based on anything?
That's called propaganda, just as much as actively promoting hysteria by fudging the numbers the other way.
And at some point, we're at both ends of the spectrum like everything else these days, and not even the most rational people have any idea WTF or WhoTF to believe.
*and my point isn't even that he IS 100% definitely lying, just if that was the case... [Reply]
