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The Lounge>***Official 2020 STL Cardinals Thread***
BigRedChief 01:21 PM 02-13-2020
2020 Opening Day Lineup

Spoiler!


For the new Cardinal fans that joined the Planet since last year.....
2019 Thread
https://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=320239
2018 Thread
https://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=312812
2012 Thread
https://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=254619
etc.
All the way back to 2006 WS
https://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=312812
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BigRedChief 09:34 AM 06-20-2020
In todays game the "Jack Clark" type in the middle of the speedsters would just be pitched around. Negating a key piece of the strategy. As DJ noted, it fell apart without a "Jack Clark" to put up crooked numbers.
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BigRedChief 06:31 PM 06-24-2020
Why did he wait till almost July?

1. Sorry to hear about Cardinals RH reliever John Brebbia, who underwent TJ surgery (via Mozeliak.) Brebbia was an important bullpen piece in 19. Ranked 8th among NL relievers in IP; was 7th with 1.3 fWAR. Strikeout punch vs. RHB and LHB. Cut down on HR allowed.

— Bernie Miklasz (@miklasz) June 24, 2020

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Pasta Giant Meatball 07:45 PM 06-24-2020
It's a season of who gives a fuck anyway. Sports are ruined this year
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Miles 08:41 PM 06-24-2020
He apparently had the TJ surgery early June and it’s just now being reported.
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'Hamas' Jenkins 08:58 PM 06-24-2020
He gave up fewer homers with fewer ground balls, more walks, and without lowering his hard contact percentage. Last year was most likely an aberration.
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DJ's left nut 09:18 AM 06-25-2020
Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins:
He gave up fewer homers with fewer ground balls, more walks, and without lowering his hard contact percentage. Last year was most likely an aberration.
As compared to?

His 2019 season was a virtual carbon copy to 2018. His 'under the hood' stats were all easily in line with what he did in '18.

GB rate did decrease somewhat which was partially offset by a slight improvement in his HR/FB rate, but even that wasn't an impossibly low figure. And ultimately is was reflected in a slightly higher ERA, xFIP and FIP.

I mean the bottom line is that he's a 30 yr old reliever with no pedigree to speak of and a late breakout. Every single one of those factors suggests a high degree of volatility, an early peak and a pretty precipitous decline. But he probably had another year of useful relief in him similar to '18 and '19. A mid-3s ERA w/ a K rate near 10 and a 1-1.5 win season wouldn't have been unlikely at all.

He'd have been a nice option as a bridge reliever. It's hard to call last year an 'aberration' when it wasn't appreciably better/worse than what he did in '18. It was likely just another data point that showed an older reliever walking a thin line of relevance who may/may not fall off a cliff at any time.

It's not a major loss either way, but he's someone you'd rather have than not. Teams make trades for guys like that every deadline - they have value.
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'Hamas' Jenkins 12:26 PM 06-25-2020
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
As compared to?

His 2019 season was a virtual carbon copy to 2018. His 'under the hood' stats were all easily in line with what he did in '18.

GB rate did decrease somewhat which was partially offset by a slight improvement in his HR/FB rate, but even that wasn't an impossibly low figure. And ultimately is was reflected in a slightly higher ERA, xFIP and FIP.

I mean the bottom line is that he's a 30 yr old reliever with no pedigree to speak of and a late breakout. Every single one of those factors suggests a high degree of volatility, an early peak and a pretty precipitous decline. But he probably had another year of useful relief in him similar to '18 and '19. A mid-3s ERA w/ a K rate near 10 and a 1-1.5 win season wouldn't have been unlikely at all.

He'd have been a nice option as a bridge reliever. It's hard to call last year an 'aberration' when it wasn't appreciably better/worse than what he did in '18. It was likely just another data point that showed an older reliever walking a thin line of relevance who may/may not fall off a cliff at any time.

It's not a major loss either way, but he's someone you'd rather have than not. Teams make trades for guys like that every deadline - they have value.
Bernie mentioned his fWAR as though he was a valuable arm. It was double his value in 2018, despite having mostly the same stats. Thus, his value was an aberration. He's just a guy
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DJ's left nut 12:48 PM 06-25-2020
Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins:
Bernie mentioned his fWAR as though he was a valuable arm. It was double his value in 2018, despite having mostly the same stats. Thus, his value was an aberration. He's just a guy
Eh - Bernie's lazy.

In his last 2 seasons he's thrown roughly 120 innings and been worth roughly 2 fwar. A 60 inning, 1 WAR season is a pretty reasonable expectation of him this year as a dead-ass average of his last 2 seasons.

Maybe a little north, maybe a little south.

But also, there are a half dozen or more teams in this league that can't scrape together 2 guys who can give them 60 innings of 1 win relief pitching. There were only about 40 of them last year.

Meanwhile Brebbia's averaged it over the last 2 years and should've been given higher leverage work in 2018 but Matheny is a retard. Even allowing for an inflated WAR in '19, he was the Cardinals leader in relief WAR in 2018 as well.

That's not exactly a JAG - it's just not an elite reliever. He's a guy you'd rather have healthy than hurt and for a team that's been full of guys who've gotten hurt and the team has been improved for their absence, I think that difference is worth noting.
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Ocotillo 04:50 PM 06-25-2020

Sources: Top international prospects Geraldo Perdomo (Dbacks), Ivan Herrera (Cardinals) Noelvi Marte (Mariners), Marco Luciano (Giants), and George Valera (Indians) are all expected to be on the taxi squads for their teams. @MLBPipeline pic.twitter.com/3x2MQ5htUF

— Jesse Sanchez (@JesseSanchezMLB) June 25, 2020

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Ocotillo 06:19 PM 06-27-2020

Big signing for the Cardinals, who just added a teenage pitcher throwing 100 mph out of the Dominican Republic to their farm system: https://t.co/pB1KGv52Rw

— Ben Badler (@BenBadler) June 27, 2020

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BigRedChief 07:18 PM 06-27-2020
Originally Posted by Ocotillo:
So he got caught lying about his age. Mid-90s fastball to 100mph over a short period of time? Steroids?

DJ and or Hamas, this guy the real deal?
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VAChief 08:31 AM 06-28-2020
Originally Posted by BigRedChief:
So he got caught lying about his age. Mid-90s fastball to 100mph over a short period of time? Steroids?

DJ and or Hamas, this guy the real deal?
The article didn't say how long before the uptick in velocity, mentioned his status as 19-20 prospect.

At that age it isn't that suspicious to see uptick in velocities as teenagers mature into their bodies. If this was over the past year, even 9 months, I don't see it as odd.
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Ocotillo 04:31 PM 06-28-2020

The following 44 players have been invited to participate in the Busch Stadium Summer Camp.

We will make a future announcement regarding additional players in our 60-player pool. pic.twitter.com/mSqbhxyHxi

— St. Louis Cardinals (@Cardinals) June 28, 2020

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Ocotillo 06-28-2020, 04:32 PM
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Jewish Rabbi 04:46 PM 06-28-2020
I keep forgetting that piece of shit Cecil is still on the roster. What a horrible fucking signing that was.
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'Hamas' Jenkins 10:41 PM 06-28-2020
Originally Posted by BigRedChief:
So he got caught lying about his age. Mid-90s fastball to 100mph over a short period of time? Steroids?

DJ and or Hamas, this guy the real deal?
No clue.
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