Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.
We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.
Thanks!
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Spoiler!
Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.
California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.
“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”
The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.
The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”
Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.
The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.
The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.
A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.
Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.
“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”
It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.
“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”
On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.
“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”
According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.
More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.
But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.
“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”
CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.
Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.
“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”
Now imagine 100 of those things swarming you. Hell, if you found just one in your house, most people would run screaming like a little girl . . . [Reply]
Originally Posted by DaFace:
Good news: There's a small hope that we'll naturally start tapering off due to built immunity.
Bad news: We're not likely going to be able to stop it.
Why would anyone ever think we were going to "stop" this? Especially inside a few months? This thing is most likely here to stay. To put it harshly we either adapt and overcome or live in fear the rest of our lives and hide from it, where it will probably get you anyway at some point. [Reply]
Originally Posted by SAUTO:
Which isn't really a good thing at this point IMO.
It’s a great thing. If we can just right now add in 30 million people had it, we can remove them from the potential infection pool, and also add them to any discussion about severity of it as we presume the vast majority of those did not present with serious issues. [Reply]
Originally Posted by mr. tegu:
Is it two months or four months though? Perfect example of why it matters it’s been here longer than originally thought.
no matter how long it's been here almost 70k have died since 3-1, right?
So almost 70k in 2 months just like I said. It being here longer doesn't change their death date. [Reply]
In regards to reopening and I am only speaking for myself, I think if we had mandatory masks laws then there would be alot less concern about reopening slow. But when i was out this weekend and I am sure all of you have experienced it as well, hardly anyone is wearing masks. It makes no sense but here we are. [Reply]
Originally Posted by dlphg9:
I swear I remember being a kid and over hearing some story on the news about killer bees and how they were coming to the US. It's constant scare tactics from the news. It's ridiculous.
Yep I can’t remember what year I first heard about them? It runs in my mind they couldn’t take cold weather but I may not be remembering correctly. I believe they are a real thing, so can a killer bee whip a murder hornet? [Reply]
Originally Posted by DaFace:
It's completely different than any of the COVID discussion, but it's a breed of hornet that has been found in the U.S. (previously mainly in Japan). Its sting can be fatal, though it's still not like thousands of people are dying from it. It can also attack bee colonies, which isn't good either, but again, it's not necessarily like the entire U.S. bee population will be decimated either.
I was reading about this yesterday, apparently they kill around 50 people per year in Japan. So looked up how many people die yearly from regular bee and wasp stings, and I found an article with CDC data that reported there were 1109 deaths between 2000 and 2017, or roughly 62 people yearly. [Reply]
Originally Posted by mr. tegu:
It’s a great thing. If we can just right now add in 30 million people had it, we can remove them from the potential infection pool, and also add them to any discussion about severity of it as we presume the vast majority of those did not present with serious issues.
Well there's also the fact that we don't even know for sure people can't get infected multiple times.
Right? I mean everything I've seen is that's an assumption.
It will bring the overall death rate down but that doesn't change the fact that a percentage of people ate still going to die. [Reply]
Originally Posted by SAUTO:
no matter how long it's been here almost 70k have died since 3-1, right?
So almost 70k in 2 months just like I said. It being here longer doesn't change their death date.
Right but do you think it would have been double had we not locked down, how much did we mitigate it? Or would those people have died all the same over a longer period of time?
I don't know the answers, and its worth discussing. [Reply]
