Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.
We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.
Thanks!
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Spoiler!
Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.
California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.
“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”
The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.
The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”
Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.
The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.
The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.
A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.
Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.
“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”
It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.
“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”
On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.
“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”
According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.
More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.
But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.
“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”
CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.
Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.
“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”
All these anecdotal examples of crowded bars from all over the USA without any masks or social distancing it’s no wonder we are at 1 million cases a week.
They need to close indoor bars if people can’t follow the CDC guidelines and just do the outside dining/drinking. Put some portable heaters out there to make it more tolerable? I don’t want to lose my favorite watering hole either but come on man, this is getting out of hand. Why can’t they do the paycheck protection plan again?
Sucks but this just isn’t sustainable till the average person starts to get the vaccine in April. [Reply]
Originally Posted by BigRedChief:
All these anecdotal examples of crowded bars without any masks, it’s no wonder we are at 1 million cases a week. They need to close indoor bars if people can’t follow the CDC guidelines and just do the outside dining/drinking.
Pretty easy solution if you happen to live in Florida. [Reply]
Originally Posted by BigRedChief:
All these anecdotal examples of crowded bars without any masks, it’s no wonder we are at 1 million cases a week. They need to close indoor bars if people can’t follow the CDC guidelines and just do the outside dining/drinking.
What if it isn't coming from bars?I know that's the easy target and all. Tell a bar\restaurant owner in 90% of the country they have to do outdoor over the winter.
As I have said, unless you are prepared to pay the bills, mortgages, etc. of these businesses and their employees I suggest you empathize a little instead of just telling someone else to fucking deal with it while you collect your paycheck. [Reply]
Originally Posted by BigRedChief:
All these anecdotal examples of crowded bars from all over the USA without any masks or social distancing it’s no wonder we are at 1 million cases a week.
They need to close indoor bars if people can’t follow the CDC guidelines and just do the outside dining/drinking. Put some portable heaters out there to make it more tolerable? I don’t want to lose my favorite watering hole either but come on man, this is getting out of hand. Why can’t they do the paycheck protection plan again?
Sucks but this just isn’t sustainable till the average person starts to get the vaccine in April.
Its not sustainable in KC. Its cold and rains/snows.
There were lists floating around of places with heated patios, some of them are good but a couple I've been too have apparently given up because the chairs and tables were stacked up in the corner when I went. That was at the beginning of November, so Dec-Feb don't stand a chance. [Reply]
Originally Posted by petegz28:
As I have said, unless you are prepared to pay the bills, mortgages, etc. of these businesses and their employees I suggest you empathize a little instead of just telling someone else to ****ing deal with it while you collect your paycheck.
There is middle ground. I've been to plenty of places that have been adamant about protocols, distanced tables, provided sanitizer, encouraged mask usage. Others have completely ignored them and let the places get packed without any protocols.
The problem is that one weekend night where things are ignored can make up a lot of profit for the owner, so its obviously tempting. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Bowser:
What if you live in a house of four or more, what then? Such a crock of shit.
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All indoor gatherings and events involving people from more than one household are prohibited, in public or private spaces. This includes private events such as weddings and showers, listed as “celebrations” in previous guidance, as well as funerals.
Originally Posted by Bowser:
Pretty easy solution if you happen to live in Florida.
Evidently not. Same thing that’s being reported by posters here is happening down here also. I don’t think this cramming into bars is a regional thing. It’s happening everywhere.
In normal times, people crammed into bars. These ain’t normal times. But, I do know that doing stuff that we know can possibly spread the virus, is only going to make it worse for us all. [Reply]
Originally Posted by BigRedChief:
All these anecdotal examples of crowded bars from all over the USA without any masks or social distancing it’s no wonder we are at 1 million cases a week.
They need to close indoor bars if people can’t follow the CDC guidelines and just do the outside dining/drinking. Put some portable heaters out there to make it more tolerable? I don’t want to lose my favorite watering hole either but come on man, this is getting out of hand. Why can’t they do the paycheck protection plan again?
Sucks but this just isn’t sustainable till the average person starts to get the vaccine in April.
I can tell you that I've lost a significant amount of respect for many of my fellow healthcare workers--every week I see pictures of them at bars or weddings en masse without masks on.
Honestly, it's fucking bullshit that they can act so irresponsibly and skate by while good people like O. City do the right thing for others and yet still has to suffer so much grief and loss. [Reply]
Thanks for pointing out what I obviously didn't read, but now we're getting into semantics as far as I can figure. I just think it's all ridiculous. [Reply]
If you don't live in Philadelphia why should a person give a crap. Every state will do things differently so it is unlikely that Kansas, Missouri or Arkansas will do this same type of response. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Chief Roundup:
If you don't live in Philadelphia why should a person give a crap. Every state will do things differently so it is unlikely that Kansas, Missouri or Arkansas will do this same type of response.
I'm not so sure. We're seeing a lot of places putting restrictions back in place. Maybe it's a proportional response. Maybe not.
Maybe the Midwest will have a similar response. Maybe not. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Pasta Giant Meatball:
Absolutely horseshit restrictions . Just ****ing crippling to many hardworking people. Who pays their bills?
Don't worry, once you're evicted and file bankruptcy the Gov will put you up in some fine section 8 housing and give you a debit card to buy groceries and some money for your utilities. [Reply]