Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.
We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.
Thanks!
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Spoiler!
Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.
California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.
“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”
The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.
The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”
Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.
The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.
The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.
A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.
Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.
“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”
It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.
“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”
On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.
“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”
According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.
More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.
But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.
“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”
CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.
Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.
“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”
Originally Posted by petegz28:
Well, it's not a typical symptom of Covid but all evening I've had the gland on the right side of my jaw swollen like crazy. My face on the right side looks all swollen. This just kinda popped up in about an hour and has gone down only slightly.
It's probably your lymph node. Those swell when your body is fighting an infection, etc. [Reply]
Originally Posted by loochy:
24 days? I don't understand either. 10 OR 14 is standard, not 10+14. Maybe Pete misunderstood?
I didn’t understand this as a teacher when our year started. But the reason why is Pete’s son could get Covid anytime up to 10 days from now from him. But it could take him as much as 14 days to show symptoms. That’s where the 24 comes from. It’s pretty standard among all health departments. [Reply]
Originally Posted by loochy:
24 days? I don't understand either. 10 OR 14 is standard, not 10+14. Maybe Pete misunderstood?
Pete is infectious for 10 days. His child could catch the 'rona at any point within that 10 days if he's in contact with him, even at day 10. It can take 3-4 days for the virus to manifest. So child could catch it on day 10, then manifest the virus on day 14, then be contagious all the way until day 24.
It sucks and seems counterintuitive, but the logic is sound. [Reply]
Originally Posted by NewChief:
Pete is infectious for 10 days. His child could catch the 'rona at any point within that 10 days if he's in contact with him, even at day 10. It can take 3-4 days for the virus to manifest. So child could catch it on day 10, then manifest the virus on day 14, then be contagious all the way until day 24.
It sucks and seems counterintuitive, but the logic is sound.
Right but my health system and Wife's work are both starting the 10 days from day of symptom onset. So both of us can go back to work on Tuesday provided we have no symptoms.
My Son's school is trying to say the same but they are fudged a little. I will say this, you buy yourself time if you have symptoms because the 10 day clock starts on that day. If you are asymptomatic the clock starts the day sof your test results.
I didn't get my results until almost 6 days after symptom onset. So that actually bought me time in the long run. [Reply]
Originally Posted by petegz28:
Thanks but it's all good. I figured the way this thing was going it was a matter of when and not if.
And just FTR, I have been fairly diligent about wearing a mask. If I had to guess I either got it from a particular co-worker or from the gym. But really wtf knows?
But as long as I feel good I go back to work Tuesday and my Wife's work said same for her as long as she has no symptoms and she doesn't even need to eb tested.
Huh? Only 6 days? I thought the quarantine time was 14 days. Or am I way behind? Admittedly, I haven't been following very closely the past few months.
Edit: NM, I just needed to keep reading subsequent posts. [Reply]
Originally Posted by petegz28:
It's 10+14 unless I isolate 100% from him which I am doing and it is killing me.
Pete, do you mind if I ask how are you isolating from your son? I mean, I assume you both live in the same household. Or is it like a divorce situation? [Reply]
