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Nzoner's Game Room>Per Verderame: Veach would prefer to keep Chris Jones
RunKC 09:27 AM 02-10-2020
Interesting article here. Not a huge fan of Verderame but he was at the Super Bowl and he does go to the combine. I think he gets some tips, albeit from Terez (who is a nice guy).

Here is the most interesting part of the article. 2021 and 2022 would be extremely difficult to manage.

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What the Chiefs can do with their money

Looking at Kansas City’s cap situation, it can release wide receiver Sammy Watkins and linebacker Damien Wilson, clearing out $18.5 million in space. Combined with rollover money and already existing room, that’s enough cash for Veach to tag Jones, re-sign a few other pending free agents and extend Patrick Mahomes.

Speaking of Mahomes, the 24-year-old quarterback is likely to soon be the highest-paid player in the league. This is another important factor to consider.

Let’s play GM for a moment and do the following to the Chiefs’ roster:

•Cut Sammy Watkins
•Cut Damien Wilson
•Cut Cam Erving

Extend Patrick Mahomes on a five-year, $200 million deal
Use franchise tag on Chris Jones
Allow $10 million for free agents and draft picks
Keep $2 million in emergency space
Using the Jared Goff and Carson Wentz extension structures as a template, Mahomes’ cap hit would approximately be $11 million this season. Factor in Jones’ tag and the $12 million outlined above, and Kansas City is laying out $35 million.

The Chiefs could do it. But while it’s palatable for 2020, what about 2021 and beyond?

If Kansas City gave Mahomes the aforementioned extension, his cap number would be enormous in 2021, potentially the full $40 million figure. If the Chiefs also signed Jones to Clark’s exact deal, the cap number would be $22.7 million in 2021.

If we account for a slight rise in the NFL salary cap both this year and next, it’ll be around $210 million. Under these parameters, Kansas City would be looking at the following cap hits in 2021:

Patrick Mahomes ($40M)
Frank Clark ($24.2M)
Chris Jones ($22.7)
Tyrann Mathieu ($19.7M)
Tyreek Hill ($15.7M)
In total, the top five players on the Chiefs would be earning $122.3 million, or 58 percent of the salary cap.

Going into this offseason with a projected $200 million salary cap, only one team is currently allocating more than 50 percent to their top five players: the Los Angeles Rams at 54 percent.

Kansas City can always create cap space with extensions and releases, but tying up such a large chunk of money in five players is dangerous. The Chiefs would be largely unable to sign any other meaningful free agents for a few years — including their own — while being completely reliant on the draft to restock departing talent.

In his three years at the helm, Veach has proven to believe in acquiring top-shelf talent and filling in around them with low-cost, high-upside veteran deals (see: Damien Williams, Stefen Wisniewski, Mike Pennel) and rookie deals.

Jones certainly fits Veach’s profile. The question is if he fits into Kansas City’s payroll.
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Megatron96 03:30 PM 02-15-2020
Originally Posted by DRM08:
How hard do you want them to try? I don’t think they can afford him at $18-20M or higher.
I would want them to try whatever machinations they could reasonably attempt to pull it off without hamstringing the team. I admit I don't know what that would look like; I've never tried to become conversant with how to manipulate the cap.

But I agree with you that we can't afford to pay him $18-$20 million/year. But they could ask him what he would be willing to take to stay, say he says "$14 million/year with some potential bonus performance money," and then try to work some kind of contract magic to get close to that number. Or whatever; I pulled $14 million out of a hat.
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Easy 6 04:54 PM 02-15-2020
Originally Posted by Chief Northman:
:-)
These guys know what they have in one another, they’re going to work it out... take it to the bank.
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RunKC 08:51 AM 02-17-2020
2nd most cap commitments. Veach bout to put in work

The 5 teams with the most cap commitments currently for 2020:
1. Jaguars: $216.9M
2. Chiefs: $210.1M
3. Steelers: $206.8M
4. Bears: $202.3M
5. Falcons: $199.1M

All teams must be cap compliant by March 18, which means plenty of activity between now and then.

— Field Yates (@FieldYates) February 17, 2020

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Chris Meck 08:58 AM 02-17-2020
Love to keep Jones and Watkins.

Just don't think it's responsible to do so.
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RunKC 09:04 AM 02-17-2020
Per Matt Miller. Looks like we’ll have options if Chris is traded.

—The interior defensive line group hasn't received a ton of mentions this year, but you probably know about Derrick Brown (Auburn) and Javon Kinlaw (South Carolina) as top-10 players. You might not know yet about the next tier of prospects, but it's a very good group.

Ross Blacklock (TCU), Marlon Davidson (Auburn), Jordan Elliott (Missouri), Justin Madubuike (Texas A&M) and Neville Gallimore (Oklahoma) all grade out as top-50 players—with Blacklock and Davidson potential first-rounders.

It's a good year to have a late-first- or early-second-round need at defensive tackle.


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DRM08 09:06 AM 02-17-2020
Originally Posted by RunKC:
2nd most cap commitments. Veach bout to put in work

Damn, gonna be a very busy offseason for Veach and Reid. I hope they make some good choices.
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RockChalk 09:08 AM 02-17-2020
Originally Posted by O.city:
Tag and trade jones
This is what they are going to do. Internally, the staff does not like Jones nearly as much as most fans do. He's a PIA and constantly tries to get out of practices, etc. Pretty telling that he's nowhere near leadership on that D, nor do the players speak about him very often.

Veach is going to do whatever it takes to find a trade partner.
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Chris Meck 09:08 AM 02-17-2020
Originally Posted by RunKC:
Per Matt Miller. Looks like we’ll have options if Chris is traded.

—The interior defensive line group hasn't received a ton of mentions this year, but you probably know about Derrick Brown (Auburn) and Javon Kinlaw (South Carolina) as top-10 players. You might not know yet about the next tier of prospects, but it's a very good group.

Ross Blacklock (TCU), Marlon Davidson (Auburn), Jordan Elliott (Missouri), Justin Madubuike (Texas A&M) and Neville Gallimore (Oklahoma) all grade out as top-50 players—with Blacklock and Davidson potential first-rounders.

It's a good year to have a late-first- or early-second-round need at defensive tackle.


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I really think it's most prudent to tag and trade Jones and replace him with one of these guys with one of the picks; probably still netting a pick or two and saving the $20 million.
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Hoover 09:09 AM 02-17-2020
Originally Posted by RunKC:
Per Matt Miller. Looks like we’ll have options if Chris is traded.

—The interior defensive line group hasn't received a ton of mentions this year, but you probably know about Derrick Brown (Auburn) and Javon Kinlaw (South Carolina) as top-10 players. You might not know yet about the next tier of prospects, but it's a very good group.

Ross Blacklock (TCU), Marlon Davidson (Auburn), Jordan Elliott (Missouri), Justin Madubuike (Texas A&M) and Neville Gallimore (Oklahoma) all grade out as top-50 players—with Blacklock and Davidson potential first-rounders.

It's a good year to have a late-first- or early-second-round need at defensive tackle.


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and if you trade Jones, you can address two areas of need, CB and DT and have five seasons of control at a reasonable price.
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Chris Meck 09:10 AM 02-17-2020
like what if it's say, half of the Khalil Mack haul?

a #1 and a #3 to like...Miami.

so we'd have two #1's, a 2nd, two #3's, a #4, and a #5.

and cap room.

I just think you have to do that.
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RunKC 09:12 AM 02-17-2020
Originally Posted by Chris Meck:
I really think it's most prudent to tag and trade Jones and replace him with one of these guys with one of the picks; probably still netting a pick or two and saving the $20 million.
If we do elect to trade Jones, I want to cut Okafor and offer Ogbah a 3 year $25 million deal. I bet he’d take that.

Ideally this would be nice to have next year:

Clark, Ogbah, Speaks, Kpassagnon, Harris, Nnandi, Pennel, Saunders, draft pick

Also really like Curtis Weaver as a draft pick. Think he’d be excellent with Spags.
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Chris Meck 09:15 AM 02-17-2020
Originally Posted by RunKC:
If we do elect to trade Jones, I want to cut Okafor and offer Ogbah a 3 year $25 million deal. I bet he’d take that.

Ideally this would be nice to have next year:

Clark, Ogbah, Speaks, Kpassagnon, Harris, Nnandi, Pennel, Saunders, draft pick

Also really like Curtis Weaver as a draft pick. Think he’d be excellent with Spags.
a CB and a D-lineman with the two #1's would have me feeling good about being set up for the rest of the draft.
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Chief Roundup 09:17 AM 02-17-2020
Originally Posted by ChiTown:
Thank you John Dorsey
Why is it that some still think this when it has been discussed and proven that Clark had to do the deal because Dorsey was not going to give we EB that contract without protection that EB was not willing to give.

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RunKC 09:20 AM 02-17-2020
Originally Posted by Chris Meck:
a CB and a D-lineman with the two #1's would have me feeling good about being set up for the rest of the draft.
Not only that, but this is the absolute best year possible to replace Sammy Watkins.

Lamb
Jeudy
Ruggs
Higgins
Shenault
Aiyuk
Reagor
Jefferson
Hamler
Mims
Hill
Davis
Johnson

This is a great WR class. We could get a nice weapon all the way to rd 3. Corner is also very deep too so I wouldn’t be surprised if Veach uses a 1st on one of those badasses to replace Sammy.
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pugsnotdrugs19 09:23 AM 02-17-2020
Originally Posted by RockChalk:
This is what they are going to do. Internally, the staff does not like Jones nearly as much as most fans do. He's a PIA and constantly tries to get out of practices, etc. Pretty telling that he's nowhere near leadership on that D, nor do the players speak about him very often.

Veach is going to do whatever it takes to find a trade partner.
You got a source? Not asking for who, but the stuff you’ve put out there is pretty detailed for any ol’ CPer to have.
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