Interesting article here. Not a huge fan of Verderame but he was at the Super Bowl and he does go to the combine. I think he gets some tips, albeit from Terez (who is a nice guy).
Here is the most interesting part of the article. 2021 and 2022 would be extremely difficult to manage.
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What the Chiefs can do with their money
Looking at Kansas City’s cap situation, it can release wide receiver Sammy Watkins and linebacker Damien Wilson, clearing out $18.5 million in space. Combined with rollover money and already existing room, that’s enough cash for Veach to tag Jones, re-sign a few other pending free agents and extend Patrick Mahomes.
Speaking of Mahomes, the 24-year-old quarterback is likely to soon be the highest-paid player in the league. This is another important factor to consider.
Let’s play GM for a moment and do the following to the Chiefs’ roster:
•Cut Sammy Watkins
•Cut Damien Wilson
•Cut Cam Erving
Extend Patrick Mahomes on a five-year, $200 million deal
Use franchise tag on Chris Jones
Allow $10 million for free agents and draft picks
Keep $2 million in emergency space
Using the Jared Goff and Carson Wentz extension structures as a template, Mahomes’ cap hit would approximately be $11 million this season. Factor in Jones’ tag and the $12 million outlined above, and Kansas City is laying out $35 million.
The Chiefs could do it. But while it’s palatable for 2020, what about 2021 and beyond?
If Kansas City gave Mahomes the aforementioned extension, his cap number would be enormous in 2021, potentially the full $40 million figure. If the Chiefs also signed Jones to Clark’s exact deal, the cap number would be $22.7 million in 2021.
If we account for a slight rise in the NFL salary cap both this year and next, it’ll be around $210 million. Under these parameters, Kansas City would be looking at the following cap hits in 2021:
Patrick Mahomes ($40M)
Frank Clark ($24.2M)
Chris Jones ($22.7)
Tyrann Mathieu ($19.7M)
Tyreek Hill ($15.7M)
In total, the top five players on the Chiefs would be earning $122.3 million, or 58 percent of the salary cap.
Going into this offseason with a projected $200 million salary cap, only one team is currently allocating more than 50 percent to their top five players: the Los Angeles Rams at 54 percent.
Kansas City can always create cap space with extensions and releases, but tying up such a large chunk of money in five players is dangerous. The Chiefs would be largely unable to sign any other meaningful free agents for a few years — including their own — while being completely reliant on the draft to restock departing talent.
In his three years at the helm, Veach has proven to believe in acquiring top-shelf talent and filling in around them with low-cost, high-upside veteran deals (see: Damien Williams, Stefen Wisniewski, Mike Pennel) and rookie deals.
Jones certainly fits Veach’s profile. The question is if he fits into Kansas City’s payroll.
Originally Posted by Halfcan:
People wanting to dump Jones must not remember what happened when the Chiefs traded away another defensive cornerstone in Curley Culp.
Worst trade in Chiefs history. Trading Jones could haunt us for years.
Culp was traded after the 1974 season.
After he had threatened to sign a WFL contract. The team was already in rapid decline. Because the franchise stayed too long with veterans. In 73 they were 7-5-2. and followed with 5-9 in 74. Culp's trade did not cause the Chiefs to be bad franchise for 25 years after. That was on Lamar, Schaaf and Steadman.
And Tooz was going to be a great player. (Just not with the Chiefs) [Reply]
Originally Posted by tredadda:
I think the fact Clark Hunt seems in no hurry to extend Mahomes in spite of the fact that he gets more expensive every year says a lot. Also the fact he is on the finance committee means he probably knows something we don’t. Because of this I expect QB salaries to impact the cap differently which should free up money for us to sign Jones long term.
This is what I pray to Sweet Baby Jesus everyday. [Reply]
Originally Posted by BossChief:
Exactly. And neither of them provides anywhere near the impact Jones does.
Originally Posted by The Bad Guy:
I'm not cutting Wilson. He was really good in the playoffs.
Originally Posted by WilliamTheIrish:
Culp was traded after the 1974 season.
After he had threatened to sign a WFL contract. The team was already in rapid decline. Because the franchise stayed too long with veterans. In 73 they were 7-5-2. and followed with 5-9 in 74. Culp's trade did not cause the Chiefs to be bad franchise for 25 years after. That was on Lamar, Schaaf and Steadman.
And Tooz was going to be a great player. (Just not with the Chiefs)
Yup all of this!
As a child I sat through those horrid 70's and 80's teams and never knew the team to even be good until Marty came to town. I remember hearing my dad complain about Steadman as we had season tickets back then. [Reply]
Originally Posted by WilliamTheIrish:
Culp was traded after the 1974 season.
After he had threatened to sign a WFL contract. The team was already in rapid decline. Because the franchise stayed too long with veterans. In 73 they were 7-5-2. and followed with 5-9 in 74. Culp's trade did not cause the Chiefs to be bad franchise for 25 years after. That was on Lamar, Schaaf and Steadman.
And Tooz was going to be a great player. (Just not with the Chiefs)
All of this has nothing to do with what I posted. But it figures a dumbass like you would try to put a positive spin on one of the worst trades in KC history. :-) [Reply]
Originally Posted by Halfcan:
All of this has nothing to do with what I posted. But it figures a dumbass like you would try to put a positive spin on one of the worst trades in KC history. :-)
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Originally Posted by Halfcan View Post People wanting to dump Jones must not remember what happened when the Chiefs traded away another defensive cornerstone in Curley Culp.
Worst trade in Chiefs history. Trading Jones could haunt us for years.
Put a positive spin on it? No, I just stated factually that the Chiefs were circling the drain with Culp and Bell, and Lanier and 4 other HOF'ers.
You, being the usual brain dead idiot the board has come to know so well, posted the above in bold. I pointed out, rightly, when the Chiefs traded Culp, they were 5-9 and then went bad for 25 years.
Currently, the Chiefs are SB Champions. And they won't be bad for as long as PMII is here and healthy. Trading Jones won't keep the Chiefs from winning another SB.
But, I'm intrigued, and in need of a little humor, so suppose you tell us what you meant by the above post. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Halfcan:
People wanting to dump Jones must not remember what happened when the Chiefs traded away another defensive cornerstone in Curley Culp.
Worst trade in Chiefs history. Trading Jones could haunt us for years.
Nobody wants to dump Chris Jones. We live in a reality where we don’t have the money to keep him. [Reply]
Originally Posted by RunKC:
Nobody wants to dump Chris Jones. We live in a reality where we don’t have the money to keep him.
This, unfortunately...
The only shot we have to keep him is a new CBA where the cap goes up exponentially. I don’t see any other way we can keep him AND field a competitive depth chart around the star players. [Reply]
Do an offseason mock and you’ll know what I mean. If you sign Jones, it becomes incredibly hard to fill out the rest of the roster with anything but vet minimum players. Holes pop up everywhere.
And I’m not saying that they won’t do that, but I think the odds are against it. This new CBA is our only hope to keep him around. [Reply]
I wonder if Andy and Veach aren’t talking to Patrick and saying, look bud, you wanna keep Jones... you’re gonna have to take somewhere around $30-35M. Cause that may just make all the difference.
It’s a tough deal but this is the price you pay (literally) to have a shot at being the GOAT. You can’t do it on your own.
Being a perennial champion will more than make up for that money in the long run through off the field deals. But hell, I’m biased. [Reply]
