Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.
We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.
Thanks!
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Spoiler!
Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.
California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.
“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”
The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.
The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”
Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.
The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.
The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.
A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.
Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.
“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”
It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.
“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”
On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.
“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”
According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.
More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.
But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.
“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”
CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.
Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.
“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”
Originally Posted by BigRedChief:
I’ll believe 100 million vaccinated Americans when it happens.
It’s already now 20 million vaccines delivered. Instead of 20 million shots in arm. That’s a huge difference. Is there even a reason being given why we are falling behind schedule this early?
That schedule is going to back up farther when the people start taking up space in the schedule to get their 2nd shot.
Gov sucks at this stuff bc they are not efficient. I just hope we get this damn thing moving. Get 100 million people vaccinated by even the end of March and it will change a lot.
I think everyone will be vaccinated around the time training camp starts next season. [Reply]
There's lag. Just like in deaths, this shit isn't updated in real time.
You get 100 million people vaccinated, it's the end of the pandemic. Whether is shoudl be or not is another story, but once you get this thing available to everyone, it's over.
We should have absolutely poured everything we had into having the capacity to vaccinate everyone that wants it NOW and we'd be done. [Reply]
I think the phrase "the right people" is the key here.
If you're giving it to a non-random sample that includes a lot of institutionalized elderly, that's going to slow down herd immunity because they're not out in society interacting with lots of people. I'm not saying that's an incorrect approach because they're clearly the most vulnerable, but I think it's an illustration of the very interesting research question we've discussed earlier. Do you vaccinate the most vulnerable first, realizing that the disease spread will last longer, or do you vaccinate the most susceptible to spread or being a spreader first, realizing that even a lower spread will reach the most vulnerable during the dissemination phase?
The odds are that there's an optimal solution to minimize deaths that's somewhere in the middle of "vaccine all of the vulnerable first" and "vaccine all of the spreaders first". [Reply]
Originally Posted by O.city:
The individual places themselves don't know who has and hasn't had it so it makes sense to just ask everyone to. It is what it is.
We should have absolutely poured everything we had into having the capacity to vaccinate everyone that wants it NOW and we'd be done.
Thats what I'm missing, we had all this time to get ready. This is what ends this shitshow. How we get back to normal. What could be more important to the USA?
We could have CVS/Walgreens etc. set up a list you could voluntarily be put on to be vaccinated when it becomes available. Want to be on the ASAP list, sign up. Get texts in case of cancellation to go right now, tomorrow. They should already have this all set up.
Train and hire temp employees to give the vaccines. It's not complicated to administer. Worried about temp pulling the vaccine up properly. Have a supervisor pull it up for 10 temp employees. Expand your capacity. Book a large room. Sit up dividers. Do hundreds of vaccines at a time. Think outside the box for crissakes.
Pre-position needles, swaps etc. in states. Pile it high. Don't use them, they can be used as part of the normal medical field needs. [Reply]
Originally Posted by BigRedChief:
Thats what I'm missing, we had all this time to get ready. This is what ends this shitshow. How we get back to normal. What could be more important to the USA?
We could have CVS/Walgreens etc. set up a list you could voluntarily be put on to be vaccinated when it becomes available. Want to be on the ASAP list, sign up. Get texts in case of cancellation to go right now, tomorrow. They should already have this all set up.
Train and hire temp employees to give the vaccines. It's not complicated to administer. Worried about temp pulling the vaccine up properly. Have a supervisor pull it up for 10 temp employees. Expand your capacity. Book a large room. Sit up dividers. Do hundreds of vaccines at a time. Think outside the box for crissakes.
Pre-position needles, swaps etc. in states. Pile it high. Don't use them, they can be used as part of the normal medical field needs.
Dude, how old are you? It's always like this. Shit doesn't get done the way it should because the people in charge are not impacted.
That being said you can't just go out and hire tons of people on a wimb. [Reply]
9 million+ doses laying around gathering dust in a medical administrative facility somewhere after taking delivery from the government instead of going into arms. [Reply]
9 million+ doses laying around gathering dust instead of going into arms.
Well there is a thing of you can only go so fast. And with healthcare workers being the focus a lot of health systems and hospitals are limiting things so only 50% of the staff get the vaccine in case shit goes bad. You can't have it taking down your entire staff. [Reply]
Originally Posted by petegz28:
Dude, how old are you? It's always like this. Shit doesn't get done the way it should because the people in charge are not impacted.
That being said you can't just go out and hire tons of people on a wimb.
Exactly...the same as its always been. Government is slow and inefficient with tons of bureaucracy and red tape. Want it done faster? Let a private company handle it. [Reply]
9 million+ doses laying around gathering dust in a medical administrative facility somewhere after taking delivery from the government instead of going into arms.
Think of this way, and I think I am being a bit optimistic on time...
9 million doses * 20min per dose/12 hours a day of injection time
That's a lot of hours to be spread across only so many people giving the injections. [Reply]