Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.
We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.
Thanks!
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Spoiler!
Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.
California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.
“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”
The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.
The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”
Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.
The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.
The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.
A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.
Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.
“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”
It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.
“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”
On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.
“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”
According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.
More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.
But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.
“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”
CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.
Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.
“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”
On the serious tip though. I did have a brief conversation yesterday with one of our health system officials about all of this. In a nutshell the comments were
"we were a bit surprised we didn't get hit harder"
"In hind sight we probably wouldn't have done quite as much but that's hind sight"
"The fear of the 2nd wave right now is largely being stoked by politicians"
"There isn't any data to suggest a devastating 2nd wave"
"The good that did come from this is if we do get a large spike in the fall we already know how to react and we can react much faster, cheaper and safer"
So bottom line is we didn't get the stampede but we got the dress rehearsal should the time ever come. [Reply]
Originally Posted by TLO:
Still can't get these results I need from Quest. I guess I'm going to assume they're negative or we would have gotten a call by now.
Originally Posted by petegz28:
On the serious tip though. I did have a brief conversation yesterday with one of our health system officials about all of this. In a nutshell the comments were
"we were a bit surprised we didn't get hit harder"
"In hind sight we probably wouldn't have done quite as much but that's hind sight"
"The fear of the 2nd wave right now is largely being stoked by politicians"
"There isn't any data to suggest a devastating 2nd wave"
"The good that did come from this is if we do get a large spike in the fall we already know how to react and we can react much faster, cheaper and safer"
So bottom line is we didn't get the stampede but we got the dress rehearsal should the time ever come.
I agree if it does comeback in the fall we should be better prepared , most places that didn’t get swamped are likely ones that took early precautions which helped. [Reply]
Originally Posted by petegz28:
did you go get the antibody test?
Nah. I had 2 clients I had to send through the drive through testing in St. Joe this past weekend. I've gotten results on 2 of them, but the 3rd isn't available.
Originally Posted by TLO:
Still can't get these results I need from Quest. I guess I'm going to assume they're negative or we would have gotten a call by now.
It generally takes about 2 weeks for me to get my test results from Quest and I receive an email when the results have been uploaded to my account. [Reply]
Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud:
It generally takes about 2 weeks for me to get my test results from Quest and I receive an email when the results have been uploaded to my account.
We were told 72 hours on these. I'm not concerned as the client isn't showing symptoms and his roommate tested negative, but the reassurance would be nice. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Monticore:
I agree if it does comeback in the fall we should be better prepared , most places that didn’t get swamped are likely ones that took early precautions which helped.
I think there is also an aspect of living conditions, i.e. people living more spread out vs. on top of each other. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Mecca:
Has there ever been in our lifetimes a pandemic of this scale where wearing a mask was the recommended action?
So the lives you could have saved by staying home and wearing a mask all these years didn't matter, but Covid-19 now do? Seems pretty heartless. [Reply]
I hope you realize that I am just trying to help and that I am not just arguing just to try and win the argument, you being able to make a more informed decision on how to keep you and your family safe is the only win i am trying to get. [Reply]
Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy:
So the lives you could have saved by staying home and wearing a mask all these years didn't matter, but Covid-19 now do? Seems pretty heartless.
I do think masks should have always been worn in the food industry , we have just always accepted a certain amount of spit in our food I guess.
But not going into the public sick or not covering our cough or sneeze and washing hands have always been considered considerate of others, the asymptomatic spread is kind of new though. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Monticore:
I do think masks should have always been worn in the food industry it we have just always accepted a certain amount of spit in our food I guess.
But not going into the public sick or not covering our cough or sneeze and washing hands have always been considered considerate of others, the asymptomatic spread is kind of new though.
Probably so. I just laugh that the hypocrisy of those that try to shame those that won't hide and wear mask. It's almost like they were unaware those same things would have always saved some lives over the years from other viruses as well. Apparently when the death count reaches a certain amount or the media tells them when to do they start caring about saving lives. [Reply]
Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy:
So the lives you could have saved by staying home and wearing a mask all these years didn't matter, but Covid-19 now do? Seems pretty heartless.
Originally Posted by Monticore:
I do think masks should have always been worn in the food industry , we have just always accepted a certain amount of spit in our food I guess.
But not going into the public sick or not covering our cough or sneeze and washing hands have always been considered considerate of others, the asymptomatic spread is kind of new though.
That's kind of my rub with this. I am not saying you or Da Face but probably Mecca (just kidding) are doing this but the whole mask thing is turning into a giant virtue signaling bonfire.
It kind of reminds me of how all these people including all of our local sports media came out against Tyreek and were all against domestic violence and this and that and guess what? You don't hear a fucking peep about any of that shit now and they are all kissing his ass for winning a Super Bowl. [Reply]
