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Nzoner's Game Room>***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***
JakeF 10:28 PM 02-26-2020
A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

Click here for the original OP:

Spoiler!

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Monticore 07:26 AM 07-10-2020
Originally Posted by O.city:
There’s a shitload of us citizens that live in Mexico

If they were to get it I’d imagine I’d wanna come back here to be treated
Half the cases in Ontario were from migrant workers yesterday.
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O.city 07:33 AM 07-10-2020
Originally Posted by Monticore:
Half the cases in Ontario were from migrant workers yesterday.
I’ve read similar things in Florida and such.

We’re hotspot testing so you’ll probably get that
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dirk digler 07:36 AM 07-10-2020
Originally Posted by O.city:
New York and their leadership seemed to do everything wrong.

We’re shielding the elderly now, nursing homes and such.

The biggest issue I see is that some places didn’t use the lockdown to really plan

Sure but alot of these states have had to roll back or stop their reopening plans when in reality they shouldn't have re-opened much or alot slower.

None of them even met the criteria to re-open but they went ahead and did it anyway.
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O.city 07:41 AM 07-10-2020
Originally Posted by dirk digler:
Sure but alot of these states have had to roll back or stop their reopening plans when in reality they shouldn't have re-opened much or alot slower.

None of them even met the criteria to re-open but they went ahead and did it anyway.
I don’t think it’s anything to do with how fast they reopened or not. They didn’t get cases down low enough first
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O.city 07:42 AM 07-10-2020
https://www.gilead.com/news-and-pres...nt-of-covid-19

Gilead announces remdisivir lowers mortality by 62% in severe patients

So that’s great. I’m skeptical but if true that’s huge
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dirk digler 07:44 AM 07-10-2020
So we are long way from herd immunity. NY approximately has only 19% seroprevalence and the recent Spain study showed only 5%.

Only way to get herd immunity is via vaccine. Hope it comes soon or it is going to be long fall\winter. Really hoping the Oxford vaccine is getting close since they are having very good results in Brazil currently.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1....28.20142190v1
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Donger 07:45 AM 07-10-2020
Originally Posted by O.city:
I don’t think it’s anything to do with how fast they reopened or not. They didn’t get cases down low enough first
That's why they reopened too soon.
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O.city 07:50 AM 07-10-2020
Originally Posted by dirk digler:
So we are long way from herd immunity. NY approximately has only 19% seroprevalence and the recent Spain study showed only 5%.

Only way to get herd immunity is via vaccine. Hope it comes soon or it is going to be long fall\winter. Really hoping the Oxford vaccine is getting close since they are having very good results in Brazil currently.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1....28.20142190v1
Eh that’s not necessarily true. With the stuff about cross immunity and some potential pre existing immunity I don’t think HI is that high. I’m guessing New York is there or pretty close
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petegz28 07:55 AM 07-10-2020
Originally Posted by O.city:
I don’t think it’s anything to do with how fast they reopened or not. They didn’t get cases down low enough first
Some people like to confuse "too fast" with "too soon". Your point is probably more accurate in stating that they re-opened "too soon".

Some won't distinguish the two however.
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dirk digler 07:59 AM 07-10-2020
Air re circulation role in the infection with COVID-19, lessons learned from Diamond Princess cruise ship

This is a pre print that was released yesterday. There have been a couple of others like this that suggested HVAC didn't play a role.

It does make you wonder why when you are indoors your chances to get infected go up significantly.

Originally Posted by :
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1....08.20148775v1

Conclusions: Airborne transmission of COVID-19 through the ventilation system onboard could explain the virus spread into cabins during the quarantine period.

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RedRaider56 08:13 AM 07-10-2020
Originally Posted by petegz28:
Some people like to confuse "too fast" with "too soon". Your point is probably more accurate in stating that they re-opened "too soon".

Some won't distinguish the two however.
I think it was "too fast". The Tx. governor was way too quick to pull the trigger on opening bars & gyms. Couple that with all the protests, with no social distancing, no masks etc and you had a recipe for disaster.
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petegz28 08:18 AM 07-10-2020
Originally Posted by RedRaider56:
I think it was "too fast". The Tx. governor was way too quick to pull the trigger on opening bars & gyms. Couple that with all the protests, with no social distancing, no masks etc and you had a recipe for disaster.
Might be some bad timing with that as well.

1. You had to expect some kind of rise in cases with re-opening
2. The Protests wreaked more havoc vis-a-vis Covid than many want to admit
3. Mexico had\has a surge in Covid going on


That kind of amounts to a perfect storm almost...
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Fat Elvis 08:50 AM 07-10-2020
Originally Posted by eDave:
https://www.azdhs.gov/preparedness/e...ards/index.php

Daily hospitalizations down, hospital utilization flat-lining. Hispanics are now the highest %age. Ducey introduced increased testing in S. Phx, which is predominately hispanic.

Color me optimistic.
I hope you're right, but there seems to be a few caveats in the data sets:
That said, it looks like the demographic data suggests that new infections may have peaked a bit after the time of the snowbird migration back north and that most of the infected are fairly young and in a relatively low risk population age range which would suggest lower mortality rates.
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Bugeater 08:54 AM 07-10-2020
Originally Posted by petegz28:
Some people like to confuse "too fast" with "too soon". Your point is probably more accurate in stating that they re-opened "too soon".

Some won't distinguish the two however.
Yep, reopening for salons, restaurants with limited capacities, etc I think were fine for the most part. It's the bars, gyms, casinos etc that were questionable.

But then again...you can't just kill these businesses. People were getting restless. I'm glad I wasn't one who had to make the decisions.
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RedRaider56 09:07 AM 07-10-2020
Originally Posted by petegz28:
Might be some bad timing with that as well.

1. You had to expect some kind of rise in cases with re-opening
2. The Protests wreaked more havoc vis-a-vis Covid than many want to admit
3. Mexico had\has a surge in Covid going on


That kind of amounts to a perfect storm almost...
yep. And if you look at the demographics of the county I live in, 30% of the cases are 20-29 y/o group and the Hispanic population makes up 51% of the total cases.
Not surprising that you have either multi-generations living in the same house or within close proximity of one another.
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