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Nzoner's Game Room>***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***
JakeF 10:28 PM 02-26-2020
A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

Click here for the original OP:

Spoiler!

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O.city 08:22 AM 01-05-2021
Seeing what’s happening in the UK and across Europe with this spread, we need to get going with vaccines quickly
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MahomesMagic 09:11 AM 01-05-2021

New mRNA vaccine technologies may offer 94-95 % efficacy. What an achievement of 21st century science!
On the other hand, good old natural immunity provides 100 % protection from symptomatic COVID-19, as shown in the study of 12.5k healthcare workers below. https://t.co/hqfsuHLESx

— Gabor Erdosi �������� (@gerdosi) December 28, 2020

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O.city 09:13 AM 01-05-2021
I mean sure, but you have to get sick in the first place?
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MahomesMagic 09:15 AM 01-05-2021
Originally Posted by O.city:
I mean sure, but you have to get sick in the first place?
My guess is that this is to highlight we should not be using vaccines on people that were already infected in the rollout.
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O.city 09:18 AM 01-05-2021
Originally Posted by MahomesMagic:
My guess is that this is to highlight we should not be using vaccines on people that were already infected in the rollout.
Makes sense.
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Marcellus 09:19 AM 01-05-2021
Originally Posted by MahomesMagic:
My guess is that this is to highlight we should not be using vaccines on people that were already infected in the rollout.
Yea it makes no sense to waste the vaccine on 21MM people who have already had it.
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O.city 09:20 AM 01-05-2021
Originally Posted by Marcellus:
Yea it makes no sense to waste the vaccine on 21MM people who have already had it.
Unless we're ready to rollout mass serological studies, I'm not sure how we'd know for sure.

I'd just go based on "if you have tested positive for Covid in the last 3 months, you need to wait".
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Marcellus 09:22 AM 01-05-2021
Originally Posted by O.city:
Unless we're ready to rollout mass serological studies, I'm not sure how we'd know for sure.

I'd just go based on "if you have tested positive for Covid in the last 3 months, you need to wait".
According to Worldometers there have been 21MM known infections in the US.
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dirk digler 09:26 AM 01-05-2021
Originally Posted by notorious:
That has to be false.
Southern California is having major oxygen issues from supply to older hospitals.

https://www.latimes.com/california/s...id-19-patients

Originally Posted by :
One of the myriad challenges facing Southern California’s medical system, which is overwhelmed by COVID-19 patients, involves one of the most basic staples of any hospital.

Oxygen.

Officials are having problems getting the amount of oxygen needed by critically ill COVID-19 patients who are struggling to breathe as their inflamed lungs are being damaged or destroyed.

Problems on Sunday caused at least five hospitals in L.A. County to declare an internal disaster, which closed the facilities to all ambulance traffic — not just certain types of ambulance patients, as is more typical.

It’s not simply a shortage of oxygen itself, county and hospital officials say. There’s a shortage of canisters, which patients need to return home, and aging hospital pipes are breaking down due to the huge amounts of oxygen needed to be distributed around the hospital.

There are two problems with the distribution of oxygen at aging hospitals.

First, there are so many patients needing a high rate of oxygen that the system cannot maintain the sufficient pressure needed in the pipes.

The second is that there is such high flow through the pipes that they freeze, “and obviously, if it freezes, then you can’t have good flow of oxygen,” said Dr. Christina Ghaly, L.A. County health services director.

Some hospitals are forced to move patients to lower floors, because it’s easier to deliver oxygen there without needing the pressure to push it up to higher floors, Ghaly said.

Memorial Hospital of Gardena is one of the centers facing oxygen issues. Chief Executive Kevan Metcalfe said the hospital has run low on oxygen.

If it runs out, the hospital would be in “deep, deep trouble,” he said.

Doctors and nurses have learned since the early days of the pandemic to, as much as possible, avoid placing patients on ventilators, which involves sticking a breathing tube down the throat.

Many patients instead receive a high-flow oxygen treatment, in which oxygen is sent through plastic tubes placed in the nose.

While a non-COVID patient may receive six liters of oxygen per minute, COVID-19 patients need 60 to 80 liters a minute. So now, hospitals need far more oxygen than they did before.

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Donger 09:38 AM 01-05-2021
https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/05/us/lo...vid/index.html

Ambulance crews given grim instructions

As hospitalizations climb, the Los Angeles County Emergency Medical Services Agency (EMS) directed ambulance crews not to transport patients with little chance of survival to hospitals and to conserve the use of oxygen.
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Marcellus 09:46 AM 01-05-2021
Originally Posted by Donger:
https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/05/us/lo...vid/index.html

Ambulance crews given grim instructions

As hospitalizations climb, the Los Angeles County Emergency Medical Services Agency (EMS) directed ambulance crews not to transport patients with little chance of survival to hospitals and to conserve the use of oxygen.
Not transporting dead people to hospitals seems like a no brainer at this point and if you read the story from NPR is basically says this has always been looked upon as the correct policy they just didn't enforce it. Headline is BS.

But you know more doom and gloom for you post!

Originally Posted by :
Patients whose hearts have stopped despite efforts of resuscitation, the county EMS said, should no longer be transported to hospitals.
"Effective immediately, due to the severe impact of the Covid-19 pandemic on EMS and 9-1-1 Receiving Hospitals, adult patients (18 years of age or older) in blunt traumatic and nontraumatic out-of-hospital cardiac arrest (OHCA) shall not be transported [if]return of spontaneous circulation (ROSC) is not achieved in the field," the agency said in a memo issued to ambulance workers last week.
If there are no signs of breathing or a pulse, EMS will continue to perform resuscitation for at least 20 minutes, the memo said. If the patient is stabilized after the period of resuscitation, they would then be taken to a hospital. If the patient is declared dead at the scene or no pulse can be restored, paramedics will no longer transport the body to the hospital.

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MahomesMagic 10:05 AM 01-05-2021
Originally Posted by Marcellus:
Not transporting dead people to hospitals seems like a no brainer at this point and if you read the story from NPR is basically says this has always been looked upon as the correct policy they just didn't enforce it. Headline is BS.

But you know more doom and gloom for you post!
CNN's job seems to be to turn everything into a crisis or an end of world scenario. It would be funny but a lot of people consider it "news".
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Dunit35 10:06 AM 01-05-2021
1200 vaccinated at the event I worked yesterday. That was from 9-3pm 50 people vaccinated every 15 minutes. Round the clock. Waiting time wasn’t more than 30-45 minutes including the 15 minute post shot.
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Donger 10:11 AM 01-05-2021
Originally Posted by Marcellus:
Not transporting dead people to hospitals seems like a no brainer at this point and if you read the story from NPR is basically says this has always been looked upon as the correct policy they just didn't enforce it. Headline is BS.

But you know more doom and gloom for you post!
Why'd you leave off this?

And the shortage of oxygen, given the high number of Covid-19 patients, has also pressured the system to conserve supply.

"Given the acute need to conserve oxygen, effective immediately, EMS should only administer supplemental oxygen to patients with oxygen saturation below 90%," EMS said in a memo to ambulance crews Monday.

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BigRedChief 10:15 AM 01-05-2021
67 counties doing their own thing here in Florida. My county tried to use an outlook calendar to book 65+ citizens to get the vaccine. Crashed immediately. Never returned. Now you call a number to make a reservation. Average 7.5 hour wait. End of business day, people just are dropped off the queue. Sorry, try again tomorrow.


They just don't have the staff to do this and the covid testing and the other "normal" health issues. No money from the state to increase staff, even temporarily is forthcoming. No attempt to ask for volunteers.
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