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Nzoner's Game Room>***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***
JakeF 10:28 PM 02-26-2020
A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

Click here for the original OP:

Spoiler!

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htismaqe 10:37 PM 08-11-2020
Originally Posted by DaFace:
O.City would be a better sponsor, I think. Watching Donger debates is about as enjoyable as a root canal after all.
:-)
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cdcox 10:50 PM 08-11-2020
Originally Posted by O.city:
Their 4 cases had no travel history. So they got it thru community spread. Which kinda shows that they didn't really have it stopped to begin with no?
C'mon. Four cases? Very manageable through contact tracing.
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Fish 07:00 AM 08-12-2020
I feel sorry for the kids.

KCK Public Schools cancels fall sports

Kansas City, Kansas, Public Schools have canceled fall sports and activities for the fall season.

"My heart goes out to the athletes who have been training for a long time," KCKPS District Athletic Director Tammie Romstad said, "for the parents who want to see those kids compete, and it's really hard for the community, you know? Athletics is a big picture that a lot of people like to attend. It's something to do and it brings us together, so it's a tough one."

KCK Public Schools Board of Education voted, 5-2, on Tuesday to “suspend all involvement in KSHSAA fall sports,” the district said via social media.

The decision means there will be no football, volleyball, cross country, girls’ tennis, boys’ soccer, band or spirit squad during the 2020-21 academic year.

Approximately 4,500 high school and middle school students and 112 coaches in the district will be affected by Tuesday night's vote.

The district made the decision ahead of what would have been it's first fall practice – scheduled for next Monday.
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Donger 08:29 AM 08-12-2020
Interesting discussion on T cells:

https://www.ledger-enquirer.com/news...244852012.html
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O.city 09:00 AM 08-12-2020
Yeah that sucks for the kids and parents

Some people rely on the money from officiating as well. Tough times
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DaFace 09:16 AM 08-12-2020
Originally Posted by Fish:
I feel sorry for the kids.

KCK Public Schools cancels fall sports

Kansas City, Kansas, Public Schools have canceled fall sports and activities for the fall season.

"My heart goes out to the athletes who have been training for a long time," KCKPS District Athletic Director Tammie Romstad said, "for the parents who want to see those kids compete, and it's really hard for the community, you know? Athletics is a big picture that a lot of people like to attend. It's something to do and it brings us together, so it's a tough one."

KCK Public Schools Board of Education voted, 5-2, on Tuesday to “suspend all involvement in KSHSAA fall sports,” the district said via social media.

The decision means there will be no football, volleyball, cross country, girls’ tennis, boys’ soccer, band or spirit squad during the 2020-21 academic year.

Approximately 4,500 high school and middle school students and 112 coaches in the district will be affected by Tuesday night's vote.

The district made the decision ahead of what would have been it's first fall practice – scheduled for next Monday.
There are no easy answers here, but the damage to academic and social progression for kids due to this is going to be felt for decades.
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O.city 09:18 AM 08-12-2020
Yeah and if you can’t play football I don’t see any way you can have basketball this winter

May as well just come out and say “no high school sports until there is a widespread vaccine”
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Strongside 09:24 AM 08-12-2020
My hope is that things are at least CLOSER to normal by spring, and they can give these kids the option to play and abridged version of their fall sports seasons at that time. Sports like baseball could be pushed back to later in the spring semester.
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BigCatDaddy 10:15 AM 08-12-2020
Originally Posted by O.city:
Yeah and if you can’t play football I don’t see any way you can have basketball this winter

May as well just come out and say “no high school sports until there is a widespread vaccine”
That's just 1 area. A lot are planning to and still will play the season.
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kgrund 10:22 AM 08-12-2020
Originally Posted by Donger:
Interesting discussion on T cells:

https://www.ledger-enquirer.com/news...244852012.html
This article speaks to the heart of what has been bugging me for a long time since this pandemic hit, which is what was the scientific community doing during these non-pandemic years? I know that science is hard. I know that research needs funding. However, so much of what we have been wrestling with beyond the unique characteristics of the virus itself should have been further down the road then they are. Why don't have a better understanding of immune system responses to classes of viruses? Why did it take so long to understand the role T-Cells play in the immune system response? Why was the need (if there is) for mask usage already strongly settled science? Why are they relying so heavily on a virus test that can't even tell if the virus is active and hence infectious? I can go on, but I think while the media has spent an overwhelming majority of its time blaming the government for its handling of the pandemic, it seems like the readiness of the scientific community for a pandemic has been given a huge pass IMO. We should not be 5-6 months into a pandemic and trying to figure out issues that do not specifically relate to the virus itself. Maybe I am just ignorant on this front, but that has been my irritation for quite a while.
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Discuss Thrower 10:29 AM 08-12-2020
Originally Posted by kgrund:
This article speaks to the heart of what has been bugging me for a long time since this pandemic hit, which is what was the scientific community doing during these non-pandemic years? I know that science is hard. I know that research needs funding. However, so much of what we have been wrestling with beyond the unique characteristics of the virus itself should have been further down the road then they are. Why don't have a better understanding of immune system responses to classes of viruses? Why did it take so long to understand the role T-Cells play in the immune system response? Why was the need (if there is) for mask usage already strongly settled science? Why are they relying so heavily on a virus test that can't even tell if the virus is active and hence infectious? I can go on, but I think while the media has spent an overwhelming majority of its time blaming the government for its handling of the pandemic, it seems like the readiness of the scientific community for a pandemic has been given a huge pass IMO. We should not be 5-6 months into a pandemic and trying to figure out issues that do not specifically relate to the virus itself. Maybe I am just ignorant on this front, but that has been my irritation for quite a while.

12/ Let’s get back to herd immunity via T cells.

If ~50% of people had T cell immunity prior to SARS-CoV-2, then that leaves 50% of the population susceptible.

In the regions hit hardest by COVID-19, serology studies show new cases and deaths peaked at around 10-20% infected.

— James Todaro, MD (@JamesTodaroMD) August 10, 2020


14/ It is likely that many of the hardest hit regions of the world (e.g. Lombardy, NYC, Madrid, London, Stockholm) are now at herd immunity.

Lockdowns & mask ordinances (mostly coming after the peak) likely had little effect, with the exception of perhaps prolonging the spread.

— James Todaro, MD (@JamesTodaroMD) August 10, 2020

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O.city 10:30 AM 08-12-2020
Originally Posted by kgrund:
This article speaks to the heart of what has been bugging me for a long time since this pandemic hit, which is what was the scientific community doing during these non-pandemic years? I know that science is hard. I know that research needs funding. However, so much of what we have been wrestling with beyond the unique characteristics of the virus itself should have been further down the road then they are. Why don't have a better understanding of immune system responses to classes of viruses? Why did it take so long to understand the role T-Cells play in the immune system response? Why was the need (if there is) for mask usage already strongly settled science? Why are they relying so heavily on a virus test that can't even tell if the virus is active and hence infectious? I can go on, but I think while the media has spent an overwhelming majority of its time blaming the government for its handling of the pandemic, it seems like the readiness of the scientific community for a pandemic has been given a huge pass IMO. We should not be 5-6 months into a pandemic and trying to figure out issues that do not specifically relate to the virus itself. Maybe I am just ignorant on this front, but that has been my irritation for quite a while.
Money

There’s no money on working on most corona viruses as they’re no more than the common cold for one
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O.city 10:31 AM 08-12-2020
He’s a little cavalier with “t cell immunity” they don’t necessarily confer “immunity” in terms of not catching the virus

They’re more of why there’s such mild and asymptomatic infections imo
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DaFace 10:34 AM 08-12-2020
Originally Posted by O.city:
Money

There’s no money on working on most corona viruses as they’re no more than the common cold for one
I think people also have unreasonable expectations for how quickly we can really learn about these things since we haven't really had major viral diseases that have been a huge issue for a while. The closest comparison I can come up with is HIV, and it took nearly 30 years to really get that under control. People just didn't focus on it quite this much because it impacted a relatively small percentage of the population, and it was perceived as being "preventable."
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O.city 10:39 AM 08-12-2020
Originally Posted by DaFace:
I think people also have unreasonable expectations for how quickly we can really learn about these things since we haven't really had major viral diseases that have been a huge issue for a while. The closest comparison I can come up with is HIV, and it took nearly 30 years to really get that under control. People just didn't focus on it quite this much because it impacted a relatively small percentage of the population, and it was perceived as being "preventable."
Well we did do a lot of research into these things before they break out and prevention etc but people don’t like spending money on that

We now see the result
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