Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.
We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.
Thanks!
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Spoiler!
Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.
California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.
“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”
The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.
The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”
Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.
The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.
The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.
A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.
Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.
“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”
It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.
“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”
On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.
“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”
According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.
More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.
But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.
“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”
CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.
Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.
“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”
Originally Posted by tyecopeland:
Unless we are comparing to show how many more cases there are like titty meat was doing?
It seems like I see a lot of comparison about how many covid cases compared to flu cases to show how bad covid is. But as soon as someone points something out to knock that down a little, all of a sudden we cant compare them anymore.
He didn’t really need to compare it to the flu to point out 85k deaths in 2 months is bad . But we know why he did it which I don’t want to get into because before you know it you end up with a 2000 pages thread about it. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Chief Roundup:
It is regulations by the Governor.
So the Governor himself issued regulations restricting interstate travel enforced via fines paid to the state? Do you know what law he used to back this restriction?
Originally Posted by Bowser:
And I take that as a positive, really. Especially in a state like Texas.
Right? I’m assuming eDave was commending the numbers as well after reading the article but it did seem like he was trying to make it seem like a bad thing. The word steady definitely carries a whole new meaning after you read the article. Hopefully they can continue to keep the numbers down for sure! [Reply]
It is interesting and somewhat upsetting witnessing some Governers and Mayors of cities becoming drunk with kings power. The phrase I keep hearing from Newsome here in Ca is "I will allow you to...." or "In time you will be allowed to..."
The mayor in Lake Tahoe just recently told homeowners, "Those of you who have second homes here will be allowed to come to their house only for repairs and renovations and you will not be allowed to go outside".....
I think I resent the term "allowed".........it sounds so eastern block-esq lol [Reply]
Originally Posted by Bowser:
Amazing what happens with the numbers when you double the tests in the span of two weeks, huh?
And I take that as a positive, really. Especially in a state like Texas.
"Since [COVID-19 testing] started, we did 330,000 tests in March and April. Since May 1, we have done over 330,000 -- so in 16 days we have doubled our testing from the previous entire two months," Wittman said.
Originally Posted by Bowser:
Wonder how many more tests have been done in those two weeks as compared to before?
Double the tests with more increases in testing coming. Talking about number if new cases as a raw number is meaningless. Deaths are a more accurate representation of how things are going and there have not been any significant spikes yet in that regard.
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Following a 2.5-hour choir practice attended by 61 persons, including a symptomatic index patient, 32 confirmed and 20 probable secondary COVID-19 cases occurred (attack rate = 53.3% to 86.7%); three patients were hospitalized, and two died. Transmission was likely facilitated by close proximity (within 6 feet) during practice and augmented by the act of singing.
Originally Posted by Donger:
Interesting super-spreader case in WA:
Following a 2.5-hour choir practice attended by 61 persons, including a symptomatic index patient, 32 confirmed and 20 probable secondary COVID-19 cases occurred (attack rate = 53.3% to 86.7%); three patients were hospitalized, and two died. Transmission was likely facilitated by close proximity (within 6 feet) during practice and augmented by the act of singing.
The findings in this report are subject to at least two limitations. First, the seating chart was not reported because of concerns about patient privacy. However, with attack rates of 53.3% and 86.7% among confirmed and all cases, respectively, and one hour of the practice occurring outside of the seating arrangement, the seating chart does not add substantive additional information. Second, the 19 choir members classified as having probable cases did not seek testing to confirm their illness. One person classified as having probable COVID-19 did seek testing 10 days after symptom onset and received a negative test result. It is possible that persons designated as having probable cases had another illness.
Sounds like a pretty huge ****ing limitation to your research [Reply]
Originally Posted by POND_OF_RED:
The findings in this report are subject to at least two limitations. First, the seating chart was not reported because of concerns about patient privacy. However, with attack rates of 53.3% and 86.7% among confirmed and all cases, respectively, and one hour of the practice occurring outside of the seating arrangement, the seating chart does not add substantive additional information. Second, the 19 choir members classified as having probable cases did not seek testing to confirm their illness. One person classified as having probable COVID-19 did seek testing 10 days after symptom onset and received a negative test result. It is possible that persons designated as having probable cases had another illness.
Sounds like a pretty huge ****ing limitation to your research
Yes, that's why they have the percentage range. 53% confirmed from one person. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Donger:
Interesting super-spreader case in WA:
Following a 2.5-hour choir practice attended by 61 persons, including a symptomatic index patient, 32 confirmed and 20 probable secondary COVID-19 cases occurred (attack rate = 53.3% to 86.7%); three patients were hospitalized, and two died. Transmission was likely facilitated by close proximity (within 6 feet) during practice and augmented by the act of singing.
Originally Posted by AustinChief:
Double the tests with more increases in testing coming. Talking about number if new cases as a raw number is meaningless. Deaths are a more accurate representation of how things are going and there have not been any significant spikes yet in that regard.
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deaths is not the more accurate. They are finding permanent lung, kidney, etc... issues even among those who do not end up in ICU. [Reply]
Originally Posted by limested:
deaths is not the more accurate. They are finding permanent lung, kidney, etc... issues even among those who do not end up in ICU.
Wtf are you talking about? We are talking about what numbers show whether or not Texas's reopening is causing a spike in Covid cases. The raw number of cases confirmed by testing is not a good indicator because of the increase in testing. Deaths in the other hand(given a lag time) are a much better indicator.
Your misleading fear mongering comment has zero to do with what we were discussing. If you choose to defend your comment please provide specific data and research on how many people as a percentage have proven permanent damage due to Covid-19. Make sure it is broken down by age please. Not sure how much I'm supposed to care about a 98 year old with "permanent" damage.
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