Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.
We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.
Thanks!
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Spoiler!
Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.
California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.
“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”
The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.
The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”
Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.
The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.
The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.
A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.
Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.
“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”
It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.
“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”
On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.
“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”
According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.
More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.
But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.
“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”
CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.
Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.
“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”
Originally Posted by Mecca:
Question what do you do about overlap? What if grandparents are raising a kid, what if a grandparent lives in the same home a 7 year old does...
Depends on what you want to believe I suppose. Initial data from Sweden shows kids are not good at spreading the virus.
Originally Posted by :
Children are not sick At the start of the epidemic, it was thought that children could in fact be asymptomatic carriers of the disease ... But Daniel Koch, the head of the OFSP crisis cell, said on Friday in a press conference that , according to the first serological tests - those looking for traces of antibodies - this does not seem to be the case.
But we must be careful, in the current circumstances, because there is currently no large-scale study, validated by the usual channels: Daniel Koch said to be based on the return of pediatricians and infectious disease specialists in the field.
Most of the infected children are not very sick: of the 3200 people hospitalized at the moment in Switzerland, only eighteen are less than ten years old. And while Switzerland records around 1,300 deaths, there have been none in this age group.
However, there have been some elsewhere in the world: one in Italy and one in France, in particular, but the number remains low.
It would be adults who infect children
According to some virologists, it seems that even when children are tested positive for the virus, their viral load, that is to say roughly the number of viruses circulating in their body, is often very low.
Which would explain why they are - still according to Daniel Koch - bad vectors of the disease. It seems that it is adults who infect children, not the other way around.
With age, the figures change, but remain low in adolescents: there have been 700 cases diagnosed in all in 10-19 year olds with still few hospitalizations and no deaths.
Hypotheses
For now, there are only hypotheses about why the virus has less control over very young people. The first is that their immune system is simply better. Perhaps also that it is more trained than that of adults, because it is more often in contact with pathogens and, in particular, benign coronaviruses, in the great broth of culture of nurseries and other school structures.
Finally, some specialists wonder if the vaccines against other diseases - which are very fresh in children - do not offer partial protection against Covid-19: either because the pathogens against which they are supposed to protect us a few things in common with the new coronavirus, either because they boost our general immunity, the one that fights intruders in all directions.
Actually those people can't quarantine. When could they ever come out? If everyone isn't doing it no one really can.
I believe you and I are both in the same business, auto repair. Our business is returning to form across the country, and we are starting to see traffic return. How’s your business doing? I know I saw you said you had some good jobs to cash, hope your foot traffic is returning. I feel like the fact we can work mostly under the sun and in open bays with flowing air our business is fairly safe. Thoughts? [Reply]
Originally Posted by SAUTO:
I don't care when it started.
70k died in 2 months and are still dying.
Okay that’s fine. I haven’t disputed or minimized that number. I just do care and think it’s relevant to how we think about this and the questions we ask which is my entire point but if you aren’t interested in it no need to try to reframe my points to make your stance known. [Reply]
Originally Posted by mr. tegu:
Okay that’s fine. I haven’t disputed or minimized that number. I just do care and think it’s relevant to how we think about this and the questions we ask which is my entire point but if you aren’t interested in it no need to try to reframe my points to make your stance known.
I didn't reframe any point.
I just stuck with what the point of the conversation was. [Reply]
Originally Posted by The PMII Hypothesis:
“You give us a color and we’ll wipe it out” :-)
Love the great comics because they look at the ridiculous of society and point it out from a perspective most of us don’t see.
Now back to death count arguments and new symptoms Alain discovered to be signs of the Rona....
The bombs and the bullets are all shaped like dicks, the worst thing you can do is pullout you have to stay in there and keep fucking them!
It goes something like this, what they have bigger dicks? Bomb them!
Think about it the only time we bombed other white people was Germany and that was because they wanted to rule the world.....bullshit that's our fucking job! [Reply]
Just got the news weve had another employee test positive and was in the building a few days ago. We also had another employee pass away from COVID. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Marcellus:
Where has anyone claimed they would be "fine" with any number? Thats whats so ridiculous about you. You are arguing things nobody has ever claimed as usual.
Actually, some have.
I asked him a simple question. He'll either answer it, or he won't. [Reply]
Originally Posted by The PMII Hypothesis:
I believe you and I are both in the same business, auto repair. Our business is returning to form across the country, and we are starting to see traffic return. How’s your business doing? I know I saw you said you had some good jobs to cash, hope your foot traffic is returning. I feel like the fact we can work mostly under the sun and in open bays with flowing air our business is fairly safe. Thoughts?
I live in a small community that's mostly older retired people.
They aren't moving much still.
I wish it would get nice enough to work with the doors open consistently lmao.
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Originally Posted by Mecca:
Everytime I read the founders, I have weird flashbacks to when I was staring at my phone while my wife watched the handmaids tale.
You must love that Gilead is our #1 go to at the moment.... 😬 [Reply]
