Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.
We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.
Thanks!
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Spoiler!
Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.
California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.
“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”
The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.
The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”
Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.
The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.
The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.
A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.
Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.
“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”
It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.
“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”
On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.
“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”
According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.
More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.
But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.
“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”
CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.
Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.
“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”
Originally Posted by Marcellus:
It simply makes you question the validity of what they say people need to do. Doesn't seem they really believe the science does it?
It makes you realize they're people. People fuck up.
But as a leader, when you do, there are consequences. You ask people to sacrifice shit, they you don't, get the fuck outta here. We have no use for you. [Reply]
It's public health 101. If what you're asking people to do isn't something they can or will abide by, pivot and figure something else out. Don't keep banging your head against that same wall. [Reply]
Originally Posted by O.city:
It makes you realize they're people. People **** up.
But as a leader, when you do, there are consequences. You ask people to sacrifice shit, they you don't, get the **** outta here. We have no use for you.
Case in point, my Uncle repeated several times last night "Fauci isn't going to tell me I can't see my kids". So it actually is encouraging him to take a much bigger risk by having at least 15 adults at least plus kids of varying ages in his house 48 hours after being in a house full o fat least 15-20 people if not more.
So when these morons say one thing and do another they actually encourage those already on one side to push even further. [Reply]
Trust in officials and such is also a huge part of public health. The countries who have done better, have that.
We don't. For whatever reason you want to attribute that to, be it, telling them one thing or asking them not to do it then doing it yourself, whatever.
It's all fucked up.
Give them the things they need to hear, be honest with them and go from there. [Reply]
Originally Posted by O.city:
It's public health 101. If what you're asking people to do isn't something they can or will abide by, pivot and figure something else out. Don't keep banging your head against that same wall.
What I think is amazing is the people who will gather en masse at a house because 99% Covid are the same people that will say not to run outside in the cold with wet hair or you'll get sick.
Sometimes you need to just put the word out there and let people go.
Originally Posted by O.city:
Trust in officials and such is also a huge part of public health. The countries who have done better, have that.
We don't. For whatever reason you want to attribute that to, be it, telling them one thing or asking them not to do it then doing it yourself, whatever.
It's all ****ed up.
Give them the things they need to hear, be honest with them and go from there.
Exactly. Which is why you have seen me and others bitch about the accuracy of the numbers when it comes to cases, deaths, bars, restaurants, etc.
All too often we are seeing massaged, misleading or flat out lies to push a certain narrative. All that does is add to the distrust.
I mean I am still not in a "masks save lives" column. I don't think they do what people think for various reasons that may or may not have anything to do with the mask itself.
I don't think locking shit down tight does anything either as it forces or encourages other bad behaviors.
No easy answers but I think people do better figuring it out on their own one way or the other. [Reply]
Originally Posted by petegz28:
Exactly. Which is why you have seen me and others bitch about the accuracy of the numbers when it comes to cases, deaths, bars, restaurants, etc.
All too often we are seeing massaged, misleading or flat out lies to push a certain narrative. All that does is add to the distrust.
I mean I am still not in a "masks save lives" column. I don't think they do what people think for various reasons that may or may not have anything to do with the mask itself.
I don't think locking shit down tight does anything either as it forces or encourages other bad behaviors.
No easy answers but I think people do better figuring it out on their own one way or the other.
Asking people to do these things are alot easier when this stuff has hit closer to home. I don't care to do Thanksgiving and Christmas different than normal this year for obvious reasons. It is what it is.
It pisses me off when I see those in influential spots not do it.
Or when we have evidence of x or y working but people don't believe it because of previous biases and whatnot. [Reply]
My 28 year old went to a small company gathering almost 2 weeks ago and the company accountant knowingly brought her "sick" husband to the gathering. Several days later half of the attendees including my son came down with the 'rona. Accountant has since been fired but we cant have our son home in time for Christmas because he will still be in the "quarantine window" until the 27th or 28th. He feels OK other than the annoying dry cough and headaches [Reply]
All these people who have put these "rules" in effect then don't follow them, I don't want an apology. I will accept your resignation.
It's long past time to start holding feet to the fire on that shit.
Originally Posted by Rain Man:
There was no excuse for that. If you want to be a leader, you have to act like a leader.
Our mayor here in Denver has generally done a good job, but he got caught doing the exact same thing over Thanksgiving. (At least, I think it was Thanksgiving.) It's a terrible look and undermines the policies badly.
Yup. I don't like Birx anyway so good riddance. [Reply]
I generally liked Birx in the press conferences with the Task Force and when she came to Missouri and spoke.
But to be caught breaking the very rules/restrictions/recommendations she's been preaching for 9 months and then to try and turn herself into the victim.
A little bit older of a story but surprise the Mayor of Austin did it as well and was tweeting from his official account while doing it.
Originally Posted by : Austin’s mayor, Steve Adler, went on vacation to Mexico with family in November as he urged people to stay home amid worsening coronavirus caseloadsin Texas,at one point recording a video during the trip in which he told residents back home that now was “not the time to relax”.
The trip, revealed on Wednesday by the Austin American-Statesman, is the latest example of a public official who has pleaded for vigilance in the face of rising cases and hospitalizations across the US seeming not to heed their own guidance. Adler, a Democrat, told the newspaper his actions did not violate his own regulations.
Originally Posted by Marcellus:
A little bit older of a story but surprise the Mayor of Austin did it as well and was tweeting from his official account while doing it.
I remember that...
CA Governor
San Jose Mayor(?)
Pelosi
Denver Mayor
D.C. Mayor
Chicago Mayor
Austin Mayor
Birx
An L.A. County Commissioner
Brooklyn elected official
Another person who went to a Wine Bar the other week, can't remember her name
Some good news (and incredibly fast work) on one of the mutations scientists are worried about: N501Y. In these lab experiments serum from recovered #covid19 patients was just as good at neutralizing virus with the mutation as without it. https://t.co/SIxfo2x3qp
Originally Posted by Marcellus:
A little bit older of a story but surprise the Mayor of Austin did it as well and was tweeting from his official account while doing it.
Originally Posted by O.city:
Trust in officials and such is also a huge part of public health. The countries who have done better, have that.
We don't. For whatever reason you want to attribute that to, be it, telling them one thing or asking them not to do it then doing it yourself, whatever.
It's all ****ed up.
Give them the things they need to hear, be honest with them and go from there.
I hate we don’t follow standards. Letting each state decide can only allow politics into the equation.
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Gov. Ron DeSantis on Tuesday declared elderly Floridians will be next in line to get vaccinated for COVID-19, before essential workers and younger people with underlying health conditions, cementing the state’s position in a shifting public health policy debate.
During a press conference in The Villages retirement community, DeSantis said the state will be prioritizing people over the age of 70 for the next round of vaccine doses. He bristled at proposed recommendations from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control that would give the vaccine to essential workers and adults of any age with certain underlying conditions at the same time, in Phase 1b of the rollout. [Reply]