Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.
We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.
Thanks!
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Spoiler!
Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.
California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.
“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”
The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.
The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”
Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.
The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.
The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.
A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.
Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.
“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”
It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.
“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”
On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.
“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”
According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.
More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.
But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.
“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”
CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.
Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.
“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”
Originally Posted by petegz28:
That must be a Clinton thing because I rarely see anyone without a mask unless it is outdoors.
We go up to OP every other week just to get out of town and most everyone wears masks which is nice. Down here the last 6 weeks you see less and less of it which explains why we have 5-10 daily cases.
I definitely think it is a small town America thing. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Pants:
I know you have a very clear agenda when it comes to masks so maybe that's reason you just posted this.
There have been numerous discussions about the potential of masks decreasing the initial viral load the wearer receives leading to milder outcomes.
It has nothing to do with an agenda. It's people making blanket statements when they don't have data to support it.
I mean you can easily argue that 20 kids got Covid and never wore masks and were fine while 20 elderly people wore masks all the time and still got Covid and died.
I mean we have seen that vert scenario. i know some of you get your vag all salty when someone even mentions masks without getting on their knees and praising them as a gift from God but you might slow your roll a bit and read what I am actually saying rather than what you want me to say.
Then again that's asking a lot from you, I know. [Reply]
Originally Posted by dirk digler:
We go up to OP every other week just to get out of town and most everyone wears masks which is nice. Down here the last 6 weeks you see less and less of it which explains why we have 5-10 daily cases.
I definitely think it is a small town America thing.
Again, not disagreeing but as I said, everyone in JoCo is wearing masks everywhere yet we still had a run up in cases.
And after the quack doctor for the state got busted using misleading data, we have seen that the counties that adopted the mask mandate and the ones that didn't aren't faring much different from each other.
Lie I said, contrary to what some of these dumb fucks want to claim, I am not saying masks don't work. I am saying just because X has more deaths than Y you cannot say "masks!" by default unless you can prove it. [Reply]
Originally Posted by petegz28:
It has nothing to do with an agenda. It's people making blanket statements when they don't have data to support it.
I mean you can easily argue that 20 kids got Covid and never wore masks and were fine while 20 elderly people wore masks all the time and still got Covid and died.
I mean we have seen that vert scenario. i know some of you get your vag all salty when someone even mentions masks without getting on their knees and praising them as a gift from God but you might slow your roll a bit and read what I am actually saying rather than what you want me to say.
Then again that's asking a lot from you, I know.
You've definitely had an agenda with masks and still do. There are countless studies that have shown that masks help. You talk in absolutes and without nuance but that's par for the course for you.
I have not seen anyone argue that masks are a silver bullet or a gift from God. I have seen a lot of "masks help." Again, that is supported by many studies and even common sense.
Wearing a mask is almost entirely a zero risk proposition with only potential rewards. The only people who are against masks IN MY EXPERIENCE are ones with political agendas. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Pants:
You've definitely had an agenda with masks and still do. There are countless studies that have shown that masks help. You talk in absolutes and without nuance but that's par for the course for you.
I have not seen anyone argue that masks are a silver bullet or a gift from God. I have seen a lot of "masks help." Again, that is supported by many studies and even common sense.
Wearing a mask is almost entirely a zero risk proposition with only potential rewards. The only people who are against masks IN MY EXPERIENCE are ones with political agendas.
I talk in absolutes? It is stated that CA has less deaths than TX and someone says "because of masks!" and I talk in absolutes?
Whatever. And keep talking,.you're actually making the very argument I am.
Again, you're reading what you want and not what I said.
Aside from that I don't have any agenda vis-a-vis Covid nor do I have any political interest in it. That's you using a cop out, imo. [Reply]
Originally Posted by petegz28:
Again, not disagreeing but as I said, everyone in JoCo is wearing masks everywhere yet we still had a run up in cases.
And after the quack doctor for the state got busted using misleading data, we have seen that the counties that adopted the mask mandate and the ones that didn't aren't faring much different from each other.
Lie I said, contrary to what some of these dumb ****s want to claim, I am not saying masks don't work. I am saying just because X has more deaths than Y you cannot say "masks!" by default unless you can prove it.
IMO if you have a mask mandate but don't have restrictions on restaurants and bars then you aren't doing much good. You have to have everything else + masks. [Reply]
Originally Posted by dirk digler:
IMO if you have a mask mandate but don't have restrictions on restaurants and bars then you aren't doing much good. You have to have everything else + masks.
You also have to have an economy. if you want to pay all those people and business owners so they can shut down we can discuss it. Until then it's real easy to tell other people to go fuck themselves when you aren't the one losing your job or business. [Reply]
Originally Posted by petegz28:
You also have to have an economy. if you want to pay all those people and business owners so they can shut down we can discuss it. Until then it's real easy to tell other people to go **** themselves when you aren't the one losing your job or business.
We know how this spreads the most, crowded indoor places with no masks. So we have to limit that the best we can. For restaurants that means you need to space people out significantly. For bars you are screwed. Corporate America isn't back to work in their offices because of this reason. Microsoft just announced yesterday everyone can work from home permanently.
There was a great idea proposed by someone that I can't remember but they said we could have funded all the bars and restaurants and their employees for the rest of the year for a fraction of what we spent in the 2 stimulus bills. Should have done that. [Reply]
Originally Posted by dirk digler:
Here in Clinton, less and less people are wearing masks and we are getting multiple cases a day for such a small area. We even had a bunch reported yesterday from school infections.
When I go up to KC I actually feel alot more safe because most people are wearing them.
I went to Clinton last weekend to buy a UTV from your local RV place. No one in that fucking town had a mask and they looked at me like I was an alien because I had one on. [Reply]
Originally Posted by IA_Chiefs_fan:
I went to Clinton last weekend to buy a UTV from your local RV place. No one in that ****ing town had a mask and they looked at me like I was an alien because I had one on.