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Nzoner's Game Room>***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***
JakeF 10:28 PM 02-26-2020
A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

Click here for the original OP:

Spoiler!

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BWillie 01:28 PM 05-03-2020
Originally Posted by lewdog:
The fact that quarantining in the same house as someone who’s affected is not showing to be very useful. Especially running AC units all the time here now. It just gets passed throughout the house.

Also having a 2 year old throwing fits and tantrums with doors closed knowing his father is in there. I/we couldn’t manage that for a week+ time.
This is not really true. It can happen when ventilation within a room is low but if you are quarantined to a different room or part of your home there is no reason to expect to contract it.

But I imagine for families needing to see each others face it may be difficult to not be in the same room w them
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dirk digler 01:31 PM 05-03-2020
Originally Posted by lewdog:
The fact that quarantining in the same house as someone who’s affected is not showing to be very useful. Especially running AC units all the time here now. It just gets passed throughout the house.

Also having a 2 year old throwing fits and tantrums with doors closed knowing his father is in there. I/we couldn’t manage that for a week+ time.

Due to my exposure risk at work I have not seen anyone else, including my parents, in the last 2 months. So I am doing my part.

China found that out early on and alot of the Asian countries are now removing the infected person from the household into a quarantine only location. We should be doing that as well.
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DaFace 01:33 PM 05-03-2020
Originally Posted by BWillie:
9/11, OKC bombing and terrorism of any other sort kills on avg less than 300 Americans a yr but ppl still consider it a huge problem. Why would 1.5M deaths be on no consequence?
To put it harshly, those events were more catastrophic in terms of lived trauma than they were purely in terms of deaths. Those events look scary. This one's "just" an invisible thing that kills old people.
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O.city 01:37 PM 05-03-2020
Originally Posted by dirk digler:
China found that out early on and alot of the Asian countries are now removing the infected person from the household into a quarantine only location. We should be doing that as well.
And do what with them? What if it’s a single mom or something?

I don’t think that’s feasible
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petegz28 01:40 PM 05-03-2020
Originally Posted by BWillie:
9/11, OKC bombing and terrorism of any other sort kills on avg less than 300 Americans a yr but ppl still consider it a huge problem. Why would 1.5M deaths be on no consequence?
Did I say no consequence? No.
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KC Dan 01:42 PM 05-03-2020
Originally Posted by O.city:
And do what with them? What if it’s a single mom or something?

I don’t think that’s feasible
It worked in Germany.......






in the 1930's- 1940's
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keg in kc 01:43 PM 05-03-2020
Originally Posted by DaFace:
To put it harshly, those events were more catastrophic in terms of lived trauma than they were purely in terms of deaths. Those events look scary. This one's "just" an invisible thing that kills old people.
To further the invisible bit, with terrorism, there's an enemy there (whether real or imagined is another discussion...) people can point at. A virus is harder to quantify in this 'my team vs your team' nation we live in.

And also with terrorism, you have a little bit of inconvenience with the TSA as your only likely personal impact. It's mostly soldiers you don't know fighting half a world away, and not any sacrifice on the part of everyday americans. Whereas with quarantine, it impacts everyone, and the longer it goes on, the harder it is for people to deal with.
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dirk digler 01:50 PM 05-03-2020
Originally Posted by O.city:
And do what with them? What if it’s a single mom or something?

I don’t think that’s feasible

This was proposed by many people early on by using our excess hotel space as place to put quarantined people. The hotels would make money as well.

The government did that for people that they brought back from China and put them in hotel quarantines at Travis AFB. https://www.sacbee.com/news/local/he...239991138.html
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DaneMcCloud 01:51 PM 05-03-2020
Originally Posted by Bowser:
You're both right. If we were serious about truly stopping this thing dead in its tracks, they should have locked everything down outside the basic essentials like grocery stores and gas stations. NOBODY goes out or goes to work. However, that just wasn't a feasible option in a country of 330+ million, and that's not even bringing up how it would have truly destroyed not just out economy, but the world's.
That's pretty much what happened in California. Everything, outside of grocery stores, pharmacies, gas stations and other essential businesses have been closed down for the better part of two months.

The result? 2,172 deaths in a state with more than 40 million people.

Now, whether or not that can continue is a different debate but California did prove that it could happen.
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Monticore 01:53 PM 05-03-2020
Originally Posted by keg in kc:
To further the invisible bit, with terrorism, there's an enemy there (whether real or imagined is another discussion...) people can point at. A virus is harder to quantify in this 'my team vs your team' nation we live in.

And also with terrorism, you have a little bit of inconvenience with the TSA as your only likely personal impact. It's mostly soldiers you don't know fighting half a world away, and not any sacrifice on the part of everyday americans. Whereas with quarantine, it impacts everyone, and the longer it goes on, the harder it is for people to deal with.
People fear what they fear can’t change that, more people die a year from vending machine accidents than shark attacks but one is feared more than the other.

I would rather go swim through a school of reef sharks than go to a wallmart ,
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dirk digler 01:55 PM 05-03-2020
Originally Posted by DaFace:
To put it harshly, those events were more catastrophic in terms of lived trauma than they were purely in terms of deaths. Those events look scary. This one's "just" an invisible thing that kills old people.

I think that is a huge part of it. If people actually saw what was going on in hospitals and how these patients are struggling and dying then I believe they would rethink their position.
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O.city 01:59 PM 05-03-2020
Originally Posted by dirk digler:
I think that is a huge part of it. If people actually saw what was going on in hospitals and how these patients are struggling and dying then I believe they would rethink their position.
It’s just such a big damn country, even as connected as we are.

Like here in our area, there hasn’t been a new case in I believe 10 days now. It’s hard for people in rural areas woth zero cases to feel that way
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BWillie 02:01 PM 05-03-2020
Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud:
That's pretty much what happened in California. Everything, outside of grocery stores, pharmacies, gas stations and other essential businesses have been closed down for the better part of two months.

The result? 2,172 deaths in a state with more than 40 million people.

Now, whether or not that can continue is a different debate but California did prove that it could happen.
California has probably done one of the best jobs of most states. They have people that rely on public transportation, but not in same way the east coast does. The amt of people that are wearing masks in California is very good to see.
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DaneMcCloud 02:02 PM 05-03-2020
Originally Posted by DaFace:
It's mostly been done with the assistance of vaccines as far as I know. But we haven't had anything quite this virulent either.
My personal opinion is that American society needs to move forward with plans that don't include a vaccine.

Social distancing should continue to play a huge role along with staggering children at school in such a way that the kids still spend time in classrooms with their teachers at 1/3 or 1/2 capacity as well as other safeguards which should include mandatory masks in public spaces and the recommendation of gloves.

And if people want to work or participate in public gatherings (concerts, sporting events, etc.), they should be allowed to do while following strict guidelines.

Relying on a vaccine that may never come will only prolong the suffering felt by all Americans, not just those that contract the virus.
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notorious 02:03 PM 05-03-2020
Originally Posted by dirk digler:
China found that out early on and alot of the Asian countries are now removing the infected person from the household into a quarantine only location. We should be doing that as well.
Jesus fucking Christ.
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