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NinerDoug 09:57 AM 10-15-2018
And Trump welshes on the bet.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/pol...2THuIpCapMoJgc


Elizabeth Warren releases DNA results indicating she has Native American heritage

Trump, who has said he would donate $1M to charity if Warren took a DNA test, replied bluntly to the news: "Who cares?"

Sen. Elizabeth Warren, who has faced repeated ridicule from President Donald Trump for claiming that she is of Native American descent, released a DNA test on Monday that says there is "strong evidence" to back up her claim.

The release of the test highlights how prepared Warren is to take on Trump — who has referred to her as "Pocahontas" — over the insults and suggests the Massachusetts Democrat is working to shore up potential political weaknesses before a possible 2020 presidential run by addressing charges that she misrepresented her family background to gain unfair advantage in her career.

Warren's DNA test was first reported by The Boston Globe, which obtained news of the results before they were released by the senator.

The test, conducted by Stanford University professor Carlos Bustamante, a genetics and genomics expert, concludes that there is "strong evidence" that Warren's "DNA sample of primarily European descent also contains Native American ancestry from an ancestor in the sample's pedigree 6-10 generations ago," according the test's executive summary.
According to the summary, Bustamante concludes with 99 percent confidence that Warren's DNA sample contains five genetic segments, spanning 12.3 million DNA bases, which are "Native American in origin." The report also details the results of "several additional analyses to confirm the presence of Native American ancestry and to estimate the position" of an "unadmixed Native American Ancestor" — meaning an ancestor with "100 percent ancestry assigned to a single population" — in Warren's family tree.
Warren also released a video along with the results that not only seeks to address head-on the single biggest attack leveled against her by Republican critics, but offers the intensely personal Warren a platform to introduce herself to a larger audience.

She retraces her roots in Norman, Oklahoma, "on the ragged edge of the middle class," and the "twists and turns" that followed in her personal and professional life.

The video includes testimony from three of her brothers, a nephew, and a cousin who is a Cherokee Nation citizen. They note that her father's family was bitterly opposed to her parents' marriage because of her mother's claims of Native American heritage.

It also features faculty members from various colleges and universities where Warren taught, backing up Warren's assertion that her background "played no role in my hiring."

The video also shows Warren receiving the test results from Bustamante in a phone call.

"The president likes to call my mom a liar. What do the facts say?" Warren tells Bustamante on the phone in the video.

"The facts suggest that you absolutely have Native American ancestry in your pedigree," Bustamante responds.

Trump quickly dismissed Warren's latest move.
"Who cares?" the president told reporters Monday when told about the test. "I hope she's running for president because she’s easy, she wants to make the U.S. Venezuela."

Earlier, White House counselor Kellyanne Conway also dismissed the DNA test.

"I just find that the Democrats are talking about 2020 and my boss, the president of the United States, is talking about 2018," she said. "I know that everybody likes to pick their junk science and sound science depending on the conclusion, it seems some days. But I have not looked at the DNA test. And it really doesn’t interest me to be frank with you."

Warren has sought to address the controversy before in a more muted way. In February, she addressed the National Congress of American Indians, where she reiterated that her claims of ancestry were based on the story passed down through her family, but acknowledged that only Native American tribes truly determine citizenship.
In that speech, she explained that her mother's family was "part-Native American" and that her parents eloped in 1932 because her father's family opposed the relationship.

Warren also said that she "never used my family tree to get a break or get ahead" and "never used it to advance my career."

Warren has faced repeated attacks from Trump over her claims that she is of Native American descent. He began using the "Pocahontas" slur to attack Warren during the 2016 campaign, and has said that Warren had "made up her heritage, which I think is racist."

In July, at a rally in Montana, he challenged Warren to take a DNA test and said he would pay $1 million to her "favorite charity if you take the test and it shows you're an Indian."

"You know those little [DNA] kits they sell on television for $2?" he said then. "I’m going to get one of those little kits and in the middle of the debate, when she proclaims she’s of Indian heritage because her mother said she has high cheekbones."

"We will take that little kit and say, but we have to do it very gently because we’re in the ‘MeToo’ generation … and we will very gently take that kit and we will slowly toss it, hoping it doesn’t hit her and injure her arm ... and we will say I will give you $1 million to your favorite charity, paid for by Trump, if you take the test and it shows you’re an Indian," Trump added. "I have a feeling she will say no."

Warren, on Monday, reminded Trump of his promise, urging him to donate the sum to the National Indigenous Women's Resource Center. She also called on Trump to release his tax returns.

In his comments to reporters on Monday, Trump said he never made such a promise. "I didn't say that. You better read it again," he said.
As recently as last week, Trump lobbed the attack line at Warren, saying at a rally in Kansas that “I’ve got more Indian blood in me than Pocahontas, and I have none."

Warren faced similar attacks about her heritage during her 2012 Senate race against Republican Scott Brown, who claimed she had dishonestly listed herself as Native American while working as a faculty member at the University of Pennsylvania and Harvard to help her career.

Warren denied the charges. And in a precursor to Monday’s announcement, Warren’s campaign in September produced personnel files and other documents related to her academic career at six universities. A Boston Globe analysis of the documents and interviews with officials involved in her hiring "found clear evidence … that her claim to Native American ethnicity was never considered” in her hiring.
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Trolly McTrollson 11:31 AM 10-15-2018
Originally Posted by Donger:
Okay. What was the bet with Trump?
Does google not work for you?
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Donger 11:36 AM 10-15-2018
Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson:
Does google not work for you?
Not needed. It's in the OP.
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NinerDoug 11:39 AM 10-15-2018
Originally Posted by Donger:
She did:

https://web.archive.org/web/20120503...o_make_friends
Originally Posted by :
While Warren’s great great great grandmother, named O.C. Sarah Smith, is listed on a electronic transcript of a 1894 marriage application as Cherokee, the genealogists are unable to find the actual record or a photograhic copy of it, Society spokesman Tom Champoux said.
So unless she hacked the database, it seems like there is more to her claim than just her claim.
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GloryDayz 11:39 AM 10-15-2018
Originally Posted by Over Yonder:
The actual percentage according to the ladies on The View is 1/32. So Prison's exaggeration isn't far off. The woman is a little more Indian than I am a Buick. As in, she ain't an Indian.
From my post-military days as a government contractor, I seem to recall the most lax percentage to participate on a government contracting as an native American is (or was) 1/16th, so probably wouldn't even qualify for those programs.
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Donger 11:41 AM 10-15-2018
Originally Posted by NinerDoug:
So unless she hacked the database, it seems like there is more to her claim than just her claim.
I stated she claimed to be "a minority." She did. Do you agree with her or not?
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lawrenceRaider 11:43 AM 10-15-2018
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
The average white American is roughly twice as native American as the amount cited by Warren to 'prove' her claim. Now ironically enough, I've done one of those DNA tests and I show absolutely no native American so she does happen to be more Injun than me. I do, however, kick back .1% Sub-Saharan African. By her calculus I'm more black than she is native American. Spoiler Alert: I am...not a black dude. I'm 97.4% scattered European when you tally it all up with the rest being largely western Asian. If I tried to pass myself of as a black guy, the left would flip their shit.

This is just laughable. I mean it's irrelevant either way, but it's such a hilarious window into the state of American politics at that moment. This is the kind of 'gotchya' shit we're doing now and it's actually getting run from major news networks.

Who cares?
I don't know, the left LOVES Shaun King. He identifies as black, and his mom said his dad wasn't black, but Leftist things.
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NinerDoug 11:45 AM 10-15-2018
Originally Posted by Donger:
I stated she claimed to be "a minority." She did. Do you agree with her or not?
I believe the article says she listed herself in a minority database, hoping to meet similar people.
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Donger 11:46 AM 10-15-2018
Originally Posted by NinerDoug:
I believe the article says she listed herself in a minority database, hoping to meet similar people.
That's correct. If she listed herself as a minority, she is claiming to be a minority, right?
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NinerDoug 11:48 AM 10-15-2018
Originally Posted by Donger:
That's correct. If she listed herself as a minority, she is claiming to be a minority, right?
Not necessarily.

If I joined the NAACP, would that mean I was claiming to be a minority?
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Trolly McTrollson 11:49 AM 10-15-2018
Originally Posted by Donger:
That's correct. If she listed herself as a minority, she is claiming to be a minority, right?
She said she had a distant NA ancestor. Turns out she does indeed have a distant NA ancestor. This shit ain’t complicated.
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lawrenceRaider 11:49 AM 10-15-2018
Originally Posted by NinerDoug:
Not necessarily.

If I joined the NAACP, would that mean I was claiming to be a minority?
Jesus dude, the mental gymnastics you are going through to not admit Warren is a fraud.
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BucEyedPea 11:50 AM 10-15-2018
My mom told me, on her side of the family we were really mutts because we were such a mix of ethnicities compared to my father's full Sicilian side with part of his family being immigrants. She even said we had some Indian in us. I told people that for years that I had Native American Indian in me. Families do pass on such myths. Turns out my brother did the DNA testing and we're 70% English, 30% Dutch. Though she said her mom also had some Irish, which I think is true. Parents don't really know all the time.

I thought we were more Dutch because her father's name was Dutch and that we were English/Irish mix on her mother's side...from Nova Scotia.
It's not what the test showed. Have to check with my brother again I may be off on the 30% and it's a little less with some Herron ( Nova Scotian Irish in there.)

Goddam. I've got too much Limey in me.
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GloryDayz 11:51 AM 10-15-2018
Originally Posted by Donger:
Do you think that qualifies her as "an Indian"?
I would argue, "not enough" if she's only 1/32.

At 1/32nd could she qualify as a Native American for government business? I don't think so. And most tribes require 1/16th or greater for tribal entry (so she can't be a squaw either), and 1/4 for college grants.

So, she's not zero, but that doesn't make her an Indian either.

Maybe he should be allowed to give her favored charity 1/32nd of the $1M (~$32K), or let him give the full $1M to something he wants - the border wall.
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Donger 11:52 AM 10-15-2018
Originally Posted by NinerDoug:
Not necessarily.

If I joined the NAACP, would that mean I was claiming to be a minority?
If you listed yourself as being a minority, yes, you are claiming to be a minority.
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HonestChieffan 11:52 AM 10-15-2018
How anyone can support her is beyond me. Warren is simply unstable
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