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NinerDoug 06:35 PM 10-10-2018
And these animals are supposed to be our ally......

https://www.npr.org/2018/10/10/65626...ing-journalist

Trump Administration Presses Saudis For Information On Missing Journalist

More than a week has passed since Saudi writer Jamal Khashoggi vanished after visiting the Saudi Arabian consulate in Istanbul. Turkish authorities are telling journalists what they think happened, citing released video footage: that Khashoggi was targeted and murdered.

President Trump said Wednesday that he has spoken to the Saudi government "at the highest levels" about the situation.

"We cannot let this happen to reporters, to anybody. And we're going to get to the bottom of it," Trump said. He said the first lady's office was making arrangements to bring Khashoggi's fiancée, Turkish national Hatice Cengiz, to the White House.

In the days since Khashoggi disappeared, there have been few signs that the Trump administration was putting pressure on Riyadh to explain what had happened.

But in a statement Wednesday, White House Press Secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders said that National Security Adviser John Bolton and Trump adviser Jared Kushner spoke to Saudi Arabian Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman yesterday about the matter. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo also spoke with the crown prince "to reiterate the United States' request for information," Sanders said.

The Washington Post reported on Tuesday that before Khashoggi disappeared, U.S. intelligence had intercepted communications in which the Saudis had been discussing a plot to abduct him. Khashoggi has been a contributing writer for The Post.

But on Wednesday, the State Department said the U.S. had no advance knowledge of Khashoggi's disappearance.

Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan has not directly accused Saudi Arabia of disappearing Khashoggi. He said if they have footage of Khashoggi leaving the consulate, they should release it, the Associated Press reports. Meanwhile, a newspaper close to Erdogan published the names and photographs of 15 Saudi men whom it said were sent to Istanbul to kill Khashoggi.

The version of events described by Turkish authorities is grisly. One Turkish security official told The New York Times that within two hours of arriving at the consulate, Khashoggi had been killed and dismembered with a bone saw that the Saudi team had brought. He compared the killing to the movie Pulp Fiction.

The Post obtained a series of surveillance video clips that purport to show movements involved in the killing or abduction of Khashoggi: the journalist entering the consulate; a black Mercedes leaving the consulate and then arriving at the consul general's house; Cengiz, his fiancée, pacing outside the consulate as she makes phone calls; the Saudi men leaving an Istanbul hotel and getting on planes at the airport. The Post notes that the clips have inconsistent time stamps at one point, are too blurry to make out key license plate numbers and are heavily edited throughout.

Khashoggi is a resident of the United States and has been living in Washington, D.C. The journalist is the former editor-in-chief of a Saudi newspaper and was an adviser to Saudi government officials. Khashoggi had written columns critical of the Saudi government in The Post in the past year.
In an op-ed published in The Post on Tuesday, Khashoggi's fiancée implored Trump and the first lady to become involved in the search for answers.

"I also urge Saudi Arabia, especially King Salman and Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman, to show the same level of sensitivity and release CCTV footage from the consulate," Cengiz wrote. "Although this incident could potentially fuel a political crisis between the two nations, let us not lose sight of the human aspect of what happened. Jamal is a valuable person, an exemplary thinker and a courageous man who has been fighting for his principles."
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HonestChieffan 07:57 PM 10-13-2018
In all reality, only a very few give a damn about this. Time to move on. None of you ever read anything this guy wrote and hecwont be missed. Just SJW outrage anyway.
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BucEyedPea 07:31 AM 10-16-2018
As usual Raimondo has a unique perspective on this:

He calls it "The Saudi Collapse"

Some excerpts
With the Saudis in the doghouse, the principal lobbyists on behalf of the drive to war – outside of the Israel lobby – that’s one march that’s increasingly unlikely to happen....

Also increasingly unlikely: continued US support for the Saudis’ murderous war on the Houthis of Yemen. ...

The collapse of Saudi influence in Washington will block the war plans of the neocons in Washington who think they have a chance to turn Trump into George W. Bush. Absent the Saudis’ relentless pressure, the America Firsters in the administration who remember why Trump was elected will have the political weight to prevent another Mideast war....

Mohammed bin Salman, the 38-year-old ruthless despot who’s killed dozens of rivals and even kidnapped the Prime Minister of neighboring Lebanon, was initially seen as a harbinger of reform: it now seems that, more accurately, this Caligula-like figure represents the Saudi Kingdom at the end of its tether. In which case the question arises: what comes after the Saudi royal family? I don’t think I want to find out.

https://original.antiwar.com/justin/...audi-collapse/
Stay tuned....
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BucEyedPea 07:37 AM 10-16-2018
Saudis Threaten Trump "You want $400 Oil?" :-)


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baitism 08:58 AM 10-16-2018
All the more reason to be energy independent.
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NinerDoug 12:59 PM 10-16-2018
Originally Posted by BucEyedPea:
Saudis Threaten Trump "You want $400 Oil?" :-)

If they could do $400 a barrel, I would imagine they would do it. It's an empty threat.
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Frazod 01:01 PM 10-16-2018
Originally Posted by HonestChieffan:
In all reality, only a very few give a damn about this. Time to move on. None of you ever read anything this guy wrote and hecwont be missed. Just SJW outrage anyway.
I'm certainly not one of them.
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RaiderH8r 01:16 PM 10-16-2018
Originally Posted by BucEyedPea:
Saudis Threaten Trump "You want $400 Oil?" :-)

For that alone we should fuck them up. Yeah, bring it fuckheads. You want to fly those American planes without parts or funding? We took their market share in the oil space once we'll do it again.
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Marcellus 03:04 PM 10-16-2018
Damn Doug wants us get into a shit storm fight with Saudi over them killing one of their own and create $200 a barrel oil over it in which he will blame Trump for tanking the economy.


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Bowser 04:11 PM 10-16-2018
Originally Posted by RaiderH8r:
For that alone we should fuck them up. Yeah, bring it fuckheads. You want to fly those American planes without parts or funding? We took their market share in the oil space once we'll do it again.
Seconded
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NinerDoug 04:30 PM 10-16-2018
Originally Posted by Marcellus:
Damn Doug wants us get into a shit storm fight with Saudi over them killing one of their own and create $200 a barrel oil over it in which he will blame Trump for tanking the economy.

So, what, are we talking another oil embargo?

And the Saudis will just what, make their own weapons?

They could try buying them elsewhere, but, unfortunately for them, they would then pretty much have to replace everything. Not a good defense strategy.

Not to mention, do you recall what happened when Iraq rolled into Kuwait, which is, as it happens, right next to Saudi Arabia? Do you think an oil embargo would make them feel all safe from, oh I don't know, Iran?

Finally, we are on the way to energy independence. The Saudi boot on our throats is occupied by a withering foot.
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BucEyedPea 04:52 PM 10-16-2018
Dr.Pieczenik who was at State Department under Jimmy Carter says Saudi Arabia's threat of $400 is an empty threat, because of the reserves we have, because we can drill a lot of our own, because we get more from Norway and even from Russia if we allow them to trade with us on it.

Plus the Saudi's still need our weapons.


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NinerDoug 05:10 PM 10-16-2018
Originally Posted by BucEyedPea:
Dr.Pieczenik who was at State Department under Jimmy Carter says Saudi Arabia's threat of $400 is an empty threat, because of the reserves we have, because we can drill a lot of our own, because we get more from Norway and even from Russia if we allow them to trade with us on it.

Plus the Saudi's still need our weapons.

I already posted that it is an empty threat. Did you bother to read the thread? :-)
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NinerDoug 05:25 PM 10-16-2018
https://politics.theonion.com/mike-p...n-d-1829793721
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Bowser 05:49 PM 10-16-2018
:-)
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HonestChieffan 06:01 PM 10-16-2018
Ron Paul is stirring up Paulies. Like they need stirred. Lets have a nice tit for tat and move on. We need allies no need to get all pissy when accidents happen.
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