Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.
We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.
Thanks!
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Spoiler!
Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.
California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.
“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”
The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.
The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”
Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.
The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.
The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.
A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.
Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.
“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”
It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.
“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”
On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.
“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”
According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.
More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.
But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.
“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”
CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.
Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.
“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”
Originally Posted by O.city:
Yeah, some things will change. But 1-2 years? I don't see that.
Where some are pushing for a vaccine, you really don't know at this point that one is even possible. If it takes that long (with no mutation of the virus) we'll be at herd immunity before theres a vaccine anyway.
I am not a Anti-Vax guy by any means. But something about taking a vaccine from a guy who gives Ted Talks about reducing the Earth population seems sketchy AF XD [Reply]
Originally Posted by DaFace:
We can hope. But most projections I've seen say that you need 50%-80% infection rates to get there. That's not gonna happen in the next 1-2 years unless we completely give up on all the social distancing measures.
Obviously if the infection rates are hundreds of times higher than we think, that changes things, but that still seems like wishful thinking to me.
If the IFR is 100 times higher than we think, we're potentially at or close to 100 million infections (active, recovered or deceased) at this point after what, 2 1/2 months? [Reply]
Originally Posted by BleedingRed:
I am not a Anti-Vax guy by any means. But something about taking a vaccine from a guy who gives Ted Talks about reducing the Earth population seems sketchy AF XD
You think he's the guy actually developing said vaccine? He's controlling the Oxford group or any of these working on it? [Reply]
Originally Posted by O.city:
If the IFR is 100 times higher than we think, we're potentially at or close to 100 million infections (active, recovered or deceased) at this point after what, 2 1/2 months?
Originally Posted by O.city:
If the IFR is 100 times higher than we think, we're potentially at or close to 100 million infections (active, recovered or deceased) at this point after what, 2 1/2 months?
Sure. It just doesn't pass the sniff test. I know you're big on that theory, but it doesn't make much sense that we're seeing such dramatically different death rates in different areas of the country if a majority of people are already infected. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower:
Laughably stupid take.
That's fine if that's how you feel.
I trust Bill Gates on this subject and he's been pretty consistent with what he has said
As for the economy, Gates said some industries will likely be able to come back by the end of May – such as manufacturing and construction. But until a coronavirus vaccine is available, it may take longer for crowd-based businesses, such as pro sports or air travel, to fully return because of lingering potential health risks.
Some of the specific logistical challenges blow my mind. The amount of extra work that will go into reconfiguring businesses for social distancing rules, all while taking in less revenue is overwhelming to think about. [Reply]
I had one of my dogs come up lame right after their run on Saturday and assumed he twisted something. After looking closer, he had either gotten a object stuck in there at some point, or somehow got a cut, but it was infected and very swollen. I called the vet and was told "we are not seeing pets until further notice, not until the Rona subsides."
I told her I had been draining it and cleaning it, (all kinds of nasty came out of there) but wanted an antibiotic as a preventive measure. Her reply "We have to see the dog in order to do that." I was like WTF? She has seen the dog over a dozen times and just told me they were not seeing animals.
At one point, I did all my own medical stuff for my dogs and horses as far as wounds and shots, so that's what I'm doing. It's not my first rodeo with something like this. It turns out dogs are also prescribed azithromycin, so I just had to adjust the dose for his weight.
If I didn't have that on hand, I would have just headed down to the local ag store, Western Ranch Supply in this case and picked up a bottle of penicillin and some syringes. The wound is starting to look a lot better, I just have to continue to clean it on a regular basis and keep a close eye on it.
The only other option I had was to take him in to another vet that is taking emergency calls only. I did that once and the bill was $1700 for some basic stuff, no thanks. Nothing like using a sledge hammer to kill an ant.
I feel sorry for people who find themselves in the same situation, without any background in animal care, they are going to be in for major jolt to the wallet. [Reply]
Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy:
many restaurants will be able to bounce back from this it's just going to take time...
I am sure that is very comforting advice for all of the small restaurant owners who are going to have to find a way to cover immediate/short-term fixed costs while the draconian shutdown orders continue. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Bwana:
I had one of my dogs come up lame right after their run on Saturday and assumed he twisted something. After looking closer, he had either gotten a object stuck in there at some point, or somehow got a cut, but it was infected and very swollen. I called the vet and was told "we are not seeing pets until further notice, not until the Rona subsides."
I told her I had been draining it and cleaning it, (all kinds of nasty came out of there) but wanted an antibiotic as a preventive measure. Her reply "We have to see the dog in order to do that." I was like WTF? She has seen the dog over a dozen times and just told me they were not seeing animals.
At one point, I did all my own medical stuff for my dogs and horses as far as wounds and shots, so that's what I'm doing. It's not my first rodeo with something like this. It turns out dogs are also prescribed azithromycin, so I just had to adjust the dose for his weight.
If I didn't have that on hand, I would have just headed down to the local ag store, Western Ranch Supply in this case and picked up a bottle of penicillin and some syringes. The wound is starting to look a lot better, I just have to continue to clean it on a regular basis and keep a close eye on it.
The only other option I had was to take him in to another vet that is taking emergency calls only. I did that once and the bill was $1700 for some basic stuff, no thanks. Nothing like using a sledge hammer to kill an ant.
I feel sorry for people who find themselves in the same situation, without any background in animal care, they are going to be in for major jolt to the wallet.
That seems a bit shitty to me. My sister-in-law works for a vet in Colorado, and they're still open. They've changed how they operate a bit (owners stay outside for example), but vets are pretty critical services IMO. [Reply]
Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88:
I am sure that is very comforting advice for all of the small restaurant owners who are going to have to find a way to cover immediate/short-term fixed costs while the draconian shutdown orders continue.
I'm not giving advice to restaurant owners. Don't take that post the wrong way. I was merely pointing out that until a vaccine comes out there's not much that can be done for restaurants but once it does come out they should be able to bounce back based on everything I have read from economic experts.
Obviously there's a ton of variables here but I'm sure Trump and his economic team are thinking about how to help small business owners in all industries right now. It's an unfortunate situation of course but what can you do... Sometimes you just gotta roll with the punches [Reply]
Originally Posted by DaFace:
Sure. It just doesn't pass the sniff test. I know you're big on that theory, but it doesn't make much sense that we're seeing such dramatically different death rates in different areas of the country if a majority of people are already infected.
I've been reading some of the serology test stuff coming out, it definitely gives some insight.
I've seen it being discussed as an "iceberg" type situation. There's just so many asymptomatic and mild infections and the only ones we know are the awful infections.
Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy:
I'm not giving advice to restaurant owners. Don't take that post the wrong way. I was merely pointing out that until a vaccine comes out there's not much that can be done for restaurants but once it does come out they should be able to bounce back based on everything I have read from economic experts.
Obviously there's a ton of variables here but I'm sure Trump and his economic team are thinking about how to help small business owners in all industries right now. It's an unfortunate situation of course but what can you do... Sometimes you just gotta roll with the punches
If you're waiting for a vaccine, there won't be any restaurant or small business owners left. [Reply]
