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Nzoner's Game Room>can we please stop talking about time of possession? Please?
Buehler445 04:10 PM 10-13-2019
Everyone is talking about time of possession. That is mind bogglingly stupid. Winning is about offensive and defensive efficiency. Scores and stops. It has nothing at all to do with time. If Mahomes scores in one play every possession that’s really efficient but won’t take up any time. Moreover if we take a 12 minute drive and fumble at the 2, that isn’t going to win any games but by god we’ll win the time of possession.

Fucking pussies like Squirmin Herman Motherfucking Sack of Cunt Edwards talk about time of possession. Winners talk about scores and stops.
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Buehler445 05:06 PM 10-13-2019
Originally Posted by -King-:
Yeah you're wrong. Under herm we finished 18, 15, and 28th in TOP
I was talking about individual games dude. I’m pretty sure we won loposoded TOP while we lost
And no way in hell I’m looking that up. And even if Herm never ever won TOP, I’ll eat being wrong on that.


Still doesn’t change the fact there is merely correlation, not causation to winning. And if you talk about TOP, you’re being a fucking bitch like Squirmin Herman Motherfucking Sack of Cunt Edwards and focusing on things that don’t actually lead to winning.
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WhiteWhale 05:08 PM 10-13-2019
Originally Posted by -King-:
Yeah you're wrong. Under herm we finished 18, 15, and 28th in TOP
Which is exactly why playing offense with the GOAL of holding the ball is stupid.

That's what herm did, and it doesn't work. You just end up with a lot of 4th and shorts.
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lewdog 05:08 PM 10-13-2019
2018 Regular Season TOP

1 Baltimore 32:05
2 New England 32:00
3 Chicago 31:49
4 Philadelphia 31:45
5 New Orleans 31:41
6 Detroit 31:23
7 Seattle 30:57
8 LA Rams 30:46
9 Carolina 30:43
10 Dallas 30:35
11 Pittsburgh 30:34
12 Oakland 30:30
13 Buffalo 30:29
14 LA Chargers 30:22
15 Jacksonville 30:13
16 Tampa Bay 30:12
17 Houston 30:10
18 San Francisco 29:38
19 Washington 29:37
20 Atlanta 29:35
21 Green Bay 29:35
22 Tennessee 29:23
23 Indianapolis 29:17
24 Minnesota 29:10
25 NY Jets 29:10
26 Kansas City 29:01
27 Denver 28:58
28 NY Giants 28:41
29 Cleveland 28:39
30 Miami 27:40
31 Cincinnati 27:26
32 Arizona 26:33
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BWillie 05:11 PM 10-13-2019
Originally Posted by lewdog:
2018 Regular Season TOP

1 Baltimore 32:05
2 New England 32:00
3 Chicago 31:49
4 Philadelphia 31:45
5 New Orleans 31:41
6 Detroit 31:23
7 Seattle 30:57
8 LA Rams 30:46
9 Carolina 30:43
10 Dallas 30:35
11 Pittsburgh 30:34
12 Oakland 30:30
13 Buffalo 30:29
14 LA Chargers 30:22
15 Jacksonville 30:13
16 Tampa Bay 30:12
17 Houston 30:10
18 San Francisco 29:38
19 Washington 29:37
20 Atlanta 29:35
21 Green Bay 29:35
22 Tennessee 29:23
23 Indianapolis 29:17
24 Minnesota 29:10
25 NY Jets 29:10
26 Kansas City 29:01
27 Denver 28:58
28 NY Giants 28:41
29 Cleveland 28:39
30 Miami 27:40
31 Cincinnati 27:26
32 Arizona 26:33
So what does that tell us? We had one of the best offenses of ALL TIME last year and we were 26th in TOP....

Yeah, lets try to score slower.
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Buehler445 05:14 PM 10-13-2019
Originally Posted by TEX:
No. You're just stupid if you dont think T.O.P. matters. Quit being a dooe whike trying to push some foolish hot take.
Fuck off. I care about shit that affects winning. Scores and stops. If we pick up stops. And have fewer empty possessions TOP will Follow suit.

But to think that TOP drives winning is stupid.

There is correlation to winning not causation.

It’s not a fucking hot take. It’s hoping that people - and more importantly our staff - to focus on what actually wins goddamned games.
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Buehler445 05:15 PM 10-13-2019
Originally Posted by BWillie:
So what does that tell us? We had one of the best offenses of ALL TIME last year and we were 26th in TOP....

Yeah, lets try to score slower.
We must be more like Carolina.
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Buehler445 05:18 PM 10-13-2019
More importantly let’s talk about seeing if we can get fewer home games because GODDAMN IT WE MUST TALK ABOUT SHOT THAT ONLY HAS CORRELATION TO WINNING.
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kcclone 05:26 PM 10-13-2019
Originally Posted by BWillie:
So what does that tell us? We had one of the best offenses of ALL TIME last year and we were 26th in TOP....

Yeah, lets try to score slower.

But we lose all the big games when it counts so scoring fast doesn’t usually work as well against playoff teams.


We’re 6-5 in our last 11. No one is saying score slower. To flip TOP we need to get stops defensively and have a run game that people have to respect.
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BWillie 05:27 PM 10-13-2019
Originally Posted by Buehler445:
More importantly let’s talk about seeing if we can get fewer home games because GODDAMN IT WE MUST TALK ABOUT SHOT THAT ONLY HAS CORRELATION TO WINNING.
:-):-)

I love it.
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Setsuna 05:27 PM 10-13-2019
Originally Posted by R8RFAN:
when you are that behind in TOP your defense is gassed, TOP is one of the most important stats in the game, they are gassing your D and keeping your most important asset off the field.
Is that you Will Muschamp? :-) He talked about TOP his entire tenure at Florida. So garbage.
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Buehler445 05:28 PM 10-13-2019
Originally Posted by kcclone:
But we lose all the big games when it counts so scoring fast doesn’t usually work as well against playoff teams.


We’re 6-5 in our last 11. No one is saying score slower. To flip TOP we need to get stops defensively and have a run game that people have to respect.
We lost the AFCCG because we couldn’t get a goddamned stop. Or even scoring one in the first.

TOP is a side effect of all that. But everyone’s got to talk about it. Score and get stops and TOP wil follow.
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-King- 05:28 PM 10-13-2019
Originally Posted by BWillie:
So what does that tell us? We had one of the best offenses of ALL TIME last year and we were 26th in TOP....

Yeah, lets try to score slower.
I mean scoring too fast literally lost us games last year. There are times where maintaining long drives is beneficial.

Also, TOP is also on the defense. If the defense makes stops, the more times the offense has the ball and the more opportunities to score.
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BWillie 05:28 PM 10-13-2019
Originally Posted by lewdog:
2018 Regular Season TOP

1 Baltimore 32:05
2 New England 32:00
3 Chicago 31:49
4 Philadelphia 31:45
5 New Orleans 31:41
6 Detroit 31:23
7 Seattle 30:57
8 LA Rams 30:46
9 Carolina 30:43
10 Dallas 30:35
11 Pittsburgh 30:34
12 Oakland 30:30
13 Buffalo 30:29
14 LA Chargers 30:22
15 Jacksonville 30:13
16 Tampa Bay 30:12
17 Houston 30:10
18 San Francisco 29:38
19 Washington 29:37
20 Atlanta 29:35
21 Green Bay 29:35
22 Tennessee 29:23
23 Indianapolis 29:17
24 Minnesota 29:10
25 NY Jets 29:10
26 Kansas City 29:01
27 Denver 28:58
28 NY Giants 28:41
29 Cleveland 28:39
30 Miami 27:40
31 Cincinnati 27:26
32 Arizona 26:33
How come Baltimore didn't win the Super Bowl last year or weren't better than us? We shouldn't had had a chance of their #1 TOP vs our #26.
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rabblerouser 05:30 PM 10-13-2019
Originally Posted by hawkchief:
Seems like Beuhler doesn’t understand the game of football.
He does not.
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Buehler445 05:31 PM 10-13-2019
Originally Posted by -King-:
I mean scoring too fast literally lost us games last year. There are times where maintaining long drives is beneficial.

Also, TOP is also on the defense. If the defense makes stops, the more times the offense has the ball and the more opportunities to score.
Are you seriously advocating foregoing points in favor of an unknown?

Are you actually Herm?
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