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Nzoner's Game Room>*** Official 2017 Royals Repository ***
Chiefspants 10:55 AM 04-05-2017
Chiefsplanet’s (Proposed) 2017 Season Title: One Last Ride

Midish-Season Update (Royals 51-47, 2nd Wild Card, 1.5 GB of ALC):

We're halfway through 2017, and fittingly to the Chiefsplanet's 2017 Season Title, the Royals are all-in on what will likely be one final run with the current core. While many are worried the Royals will take a 2004 style tumble after this year, the farm system is hardly the barren wasteland it was during the Baird years. To see what's in the pipeline and what we have to look forward to, check out this exceptional list and analysis that Duncan put together of our system.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...htmlview#gid=0

While I had the honor of starting this thread this year, Duncan will always have a VIP pass to this OP, and can add more content at any time.

2017's Burning Questions Revisited:

1. What is the threshold between being “buyers” and “sellers” at the deadline?

We're buyers, baby.

In April, I argued that it would be a wise strategy for us to sell if we were 5 GB or worse, but that Dayton would likely add supplemental pieces for us to load up for another run if we were 1-2 GB. On July 24th, the Royals found themselves in sole possession of the 2nd wild card spot and 1.5 games back of the division. In April I said the Royals might pull the trigger on someone like Alex Cobb and resign Luke Hochevar, but since the Rays are also buyers and Luke's shoulder hasn't rebounded, this prediction hasn't come to fruition. Luckily, Dayton Moore again proved much more adept and creative than me by adding Trevor Cahill (good call, Duncan), Brandon Maurer and Ryan Buchter in a single trade. Giving us a solid starter to compete in 2017, and two relievers whom we will control through 2019 and 2021, respectively, keeping Moore's new vision through 2019-2020 intact. Moore has hinted that the Royals will continue to pursue the right deals if they're there, so the fun may not be over just yet. While we may not have the bullets to pull in a "star" like Cueto or Zo, Moore's adeptness may yet again net us what we need for another run in October.

2. Can Gordo and Moose bounce back to 2015 levels?

In April I asked if Gordo could at least set the table at a 265/325/425 clip and if Moose could deliver damage around a 265/335/500 clip for an entire year. This season Mr. Moustakas has been the prospect that was promised, delivering at a 277/307/568 clip as of this update. Gordo, on the other hand, has put up an unbelievably abysmal line thus far. But, if there is a silver lining, it's that Gordo has performed at a 246/311/432 line since June 1st, and if he can continue to perform near that mark, he will be more than a valuable asset at the bottom of the lineup while he continues to provide the best LF defense in the league.

3. Can Ned Yost manage a bullpen?

In April, I felt that despite the poor start, Royals bullpen would ultimately be "solid" this year, but the question was whether "solid" was good enough for Ned. I argued that the Royals needed Soria to bounce back and that Ned would need to start being strategic in his L/L and R/R matchups. While Ned has still made at times baffling and frustrating decisions with his starters (such as allowing Travis Wood to try to "get the win" and still insisting on sending Hammel out for the 6th, he's mostly done a good job).

MASH: Minor/Moylan - Alexander - Soria - Herrera (Credit to C3HIEF3S for the origins of the phrase) have cemented into reliable pieces, and now that Herrera is showing signs of stabilizing, our dumping of Wood, our call up Flynn, and the acquisition of Buchter and Maurer, the Royals have the potential to enter October with one of the best and deepest bullpens in the postseason.

4. Will the Royals find a boost from an unexpected X-Factor to lift them to contention?

Cool-Whit, Boni, Mike ****ing Minor, and Alexander have come up huge thus far. Cool Whit is, incredibly, is second on the team in WAR and has more than replaced Zo's presence on the team. They, like the X-Factors on the 2014-2015 teams, have been critical cogs as we've raced back to contention, while Cool-Whit and Boni also have provided a rosier outlook for this team's future. It's worth noting that Salvador Perez and Jason Vargas has been beasts on offense and the mound (along with Sal providing his customary defensive excellence), but I am still a bit wary of Salvy's annual Yost assisted offensive drought as the team moves into August, along with Vargy regressing to his averages.

5. Can Jorge Soler and Brandon Moss be productive contributors in Kauffman’s dimensions?

Ouch, no, but the Royals shift to power-hitting in the juiced ball era looks like one that will pay off. Thankfully, Moss is showing signs of entering his seasonal hot streak where he becomes corn-fed Jesus for a month, and we'll need him hot to keep up with Cleveland down the stretch. While Jorge has been painful to watch in the majors, his scorching performance in AAA should give one a bright hope for the future. While some may disagree, I offer Moose, Hos, Gordo, and Duffy's struggles as exhibit A for why it is far too early to give up on Soler's potential.

Bonus Question - Is Raul Mondesi truly ready to be an everyday player?

Ha! Not even close. However, like Soler, his progress in AAA is incredibly encouraging. With ceilings like Lindor and floors being Esky being thrown out there, it's hard not to be excited about his future.

The Picture Forward

There are many reasons to be excited, and not only for 2017. The Royals emergence of Cool Whit, Bonifacio, and Scott Alexander, and the fact that we have pieces like Salvador Perez, Danny Duffy, Kelvin Herrera, Jorge Soler, Ryan Buchter, Brandon Maurer Cheslor Cuthbert, and Raul Mondesi until at least 2019 should leave one feeling pretty optimistic. Re-up Moose or Hos (and heck, re-sign Dyson while we're at it), and suddenly this team looks very much like one that could compete for the indefinite future.

The Royals are all in again, buckle in and enjoy the ride.

April OP:

Spoiler!

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Sure-Oz 08:19 AM 06-25-2017
https://www.fanragsports.com/mlb/roy...ake-seriously/

KANSAS CITY ROYALS

Surprising Royals can’t afford to take themselves too seriously



ByDave Hogg

Posted on*Jun 24, 2017

This was supposed to be the season that the Kansas City Royals paid the price for their championship run of 2014 and 2015. The Royals went all-in for those two seasons, trading away prospects for veterans that they couldn’t keep, and walked away with a pair of American League pennants and the 2015 World Series championship.

The franchise also suffered a crushing loss when Yordano Ventura, the team’s present and future ace, was killed in an offseason accident.

Headed into 2017, the Royals seemed committed to a rebuilding process, and after losing 1-0 to Cleveland on May 7, they were 10-20 and seven games behind Minnesota in the AL Central. It seemed like the only question left was which veterans would be leaving Kansas City at the trade deadline.

However, in a season where no one has been able to take control of the division, the Royals are suddenly back in the race. Kansas City beat the Blue Jays 5-4 on Friday to move to 36-36, and they are only three games behind the first-place Indians and two games out of the American League’s second wild-card spot. With the White Sox rebuilding, the Tigers collapsing and the Twins winning with smoke and mirrors, the Royals find themselves in position to take advantage if Cleveland fails to live up to its potential.

The Royals haven’t been as lucky as the Twins, who are 37-34 despite being outscored by 64 runs, but they have had some fortune on their side. They’ve allowed 320 runs and scored 287, yet sit at .500 for the season. The Indians have too much talent to lose the division to an 80-win team, so Kansas City is going to have to play even better than they have if they want a real shot at the postseason.

It might be a moot point — the Royals’ front office isn’t going to derail its long-term plans for a slim shot at a playoff spot — but should baseball fans be taking Kansas City seriously as the season heads toward July?

The biggest question mark is No. 1 starter Jason Vargas. After missing almost all of the last two seasons following Tommy John surgery, the 34-year-old is 10-3 with a 2.27 ERA. He did pitch well in three starts at the end of last season, posting a 2.25 ERA, but it’s hard to imagine he’s going to be able to keep throwing like a Cy Young candidate for more than three months.

If Vargas falters, there’s not much behind him. Danny Duffy was a key member of the pitching staff during both pennant-winning seasons, moving between the rotation and the bullpen, and he has been fine as the No. 2 starter this year. He’s on the disabled list with an oblique strain at the moment, but if he returns at full strength at the All-Star break, he’ll be a solid performer down the stretch.

However, Jason Hammel is 4-6 with a 4.83 ERA, Ian Kennedy is 1-6 with a 4.95 ERA, Chris Young just got released and highly regarded prospect Matt Strahm has just moved to the rotation after starting the year in the bullpen. He allowed only one unearned run in five innings in a win over the Angels on June 15, but he gave up five runs in three innings to the Red Sox five days later.

The bullpen is in good hands with Mike Minor and Joakim Soria setting up Kelvin Herrera, but the unsettled rotation means the offense is going to have to carry the team in the second half of the season. The problem with that is*Kansas City might have the worst offense in the American League. The Royals are last in runs, hits, on-base percentage and OPS. They are last in walks and 14th in slugging percentage.

They have a few high-performance hitters — Mike Moustakas has an .863 OPS, Salvador Perez is at .858 and both Eric Hosmer and Lorenzo Cain are over .800. Those are all players who played key roles in the World Series championship, but Perez is the only one signed beyond this season. The others are all looking at free agency, as is Vargas, and would be the pieces that Kansas City would be moving at the trade deadline.

Beyond those four, there’s not much left to the Royals’ offense. Alex Gordon (.565 OPS) and Alcides Escobar (.483) are having nightmarish seasons, and Brandon Moss is hitting .184 with a .260 on-base percentage. There’s no one on the bench with an OPS+ close to 100, and there aren’t any prospects knocking down the door in the high minors.

If Ventura was at the top of the rotation and Gordon was still hitting, there might be a strong argument to keep the core together and make one last run. That’s the sentimental move, as well. No one wants to trade away the players who helped the team win its first World Series in 30 years.

However, the reality is this team is*lucky to be at .500 and doesn’t have any serious chance at a meaningful postseason run. The Royals don’t want to fall into the same trap that has befallen the Tigers, where keeping an aging group together too long has led to impending disaster. Detroit at least had the excuse of trying to win a World Series, while the Royals have their rings.

Kansas City fans need to enjoy the next two months with the players that brought the city a championship, then wish them well as the team builds for the future.

*****
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siberian khatru 08:23 AM 06-25-2017
Originally Posted by Sure-Oz:
https://www.fanragsports.com/mlb/roy...ake-seriously/

KANSAS CITY ROYALS

Surprising Royals can’t afford to take themselves too seriously



ByDave Hogg

Posted on*Jun 24, 2017

This was supposed to be the season that the Kansas City Royals paid the price for their championship run of 2014 and 2015. The Royals went all-in for those two seasons, trading away prospects for veterans that they couldn’t keep, and walked away with a pair of American League pennants and the 2015 World Series championship.

The franchise also suffered a crushing loss when Yordano Ventura, the team’s present and future ace, was killed in an offseason accident.

Headed into 2017, the Royals seemed committed to a rebuilding process, and after losing 1-0 to Cleveland on May 7, they were 10-20 and seven games behind Minnesota in the AL Central. It seemed like the only question left was which veterans would be leaving Kansas City at the trade deadline.

However, in a season where no one has been able to take control of the division, the Royals are suddenly back in the race. Kansas City beat the Blue Jays 5-4 on Friday to move to 36-36, and they are only three games behind the first-place Indians and two games out of the American League’s second wild-card spot. With the White Sox rebuilding, the Tigers collapsing and the Twins winning with smoke and mirrors, the Royals find themselves in position to take advantage if Cleveland fails to live up to its potential.

The Royals haven’t been as lucky as the Twins, who are 37-34 despite being outscored by 64 runs, but they have had some fortune on their side. They’ve allowed 320 runs and scored 287, yet sit at .500 for the season. The Indians have too much talent to lose the division to an 80-win team, so Kansas City is going to have to play even better than they have if they want a real shot at the postseason.

It might be a moot point — the Royals’ front office isn’t going to derail its long-term plans for a slim shot at a playoff spot — but should baseball fans be taking Kansas City seriously as the season heads toward July?

The biggest question mark is No. 1 starter Jason Vargas. After missing almost all of the last two seasons following Tommy John surgery, the 34-year-old is 10-3 with a 2.27 ERA. He did pitch well in three starts at the end of last season, posting a 2.25 ERA, but it’s hard to imagine he’s going to be able to keep throwing like a Cy Young candidate for more than three months.

If Vargas falters, there’s not much behind him. Danny Duffy was a key member of the pitching staff during both pennant-winning seasons, moving between the rotation and the bullpen, and he has been fine as the No. 2 starter this year. He’s on the disabled list with an oblique strain at the moment, but if he returns at full strength at the All-Star break, he’ll be a solid performer down the stretch.

However, Jason Hammel is 4-6 with a 4.83 ERA, Ian Kennedy is 1-6 with a 4.95 ERA, Chris Young just got released and highly regarded prospect Matt Strahm has just moved to the rotation after starting the year in the bullpen. He allowed only one unearned run in five innings in a win over the Angels on June 15, but he gave up five runs in three innings to the Red Sox five days later.

The bullpen is in good hands with Mike Minor and Joakim Soria setting up Kelvin Herrera, but the unsettled rotation means the offense is going to have to carry the team in the second half of the season. The problem with that is*Kansas City might have the worst offense in the American League. The Royals are last in runs, hits, on-base percentage and OPS. They are last in walks and 14th in slugging percentage.

They have a few high-performance hitters — Mike Moustakas has an .863 OPS, Salvador Perez is at .858 and both Eric Hosmer and Lorenzo Cain are over .800. Those are all players who played key roles in the World Series championship, but Perez is the only one signed beyond this season. The others are all looking at free agency, as is Vargas, and would be the pieces that Kansas City would be moving at the trade deadline.

Beyond those four, there’s not much left to the Royals’ offense. Alex Gordon (.565 OPS) and Alcides Escobar (.483) are having nightmarish seasons, and Brandon Moss is hitting .184 with a .260 on-base percentage. There’s no one on the bench with an OPS+ close to 100, and there aren’t any prospects knocking down the door in the high minors.

If Ventura was at the top of the rotation and Gordon was still hitting, there might be a strong argument to keep the core together and make one last run. That’s the sentimental move, as well. No one wants to trade away the players who helped the team win its first World Series in 30 years.

However, the reality is this team is*lucky to be at .500 and doesn’t have any serious chance at a meaningful postseason run. The Royals don’t want to fall into the same trap that has befallen the Tigers, where keeping an aging group together too long has led to impending disaster. Detroit at least had the excuse of trying to win a World Series, while the Royals have their rings.

Kansas City fans need to enjoy the next two months with the players that brought the city a championship, then wish them well as the team builds for the future.

*****

I get all that, but when you're winning what are you supposed to do? If they're bad, then they should start losing soon, which will make the decision easier.
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ChiTown 08:30 AM 06-25-2017
Originally Posted by siberian khatru:
I get all that, but when you're winning what are you supposed to do? If they're bad, then they should start losing soon, which will make the decision easier.
It's just a really poorly thought out article. I mean, they aren't going to start throwing games just to take themselves out of the race. And, as he mentions himself, there isn't a world beater commanding the ALC, which has kept a lot of teams in the race. There's still plenty of time to think about tomorrow, but for now, we have an opportunity for today.
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Sure-Oz 08:43 AM 06-25-2017
Agreed on both...can't think about selling anything yet until the day before the deadline and see where they are
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ChiefsCountry 09:02 AM 06-25-2017
I just want to see a Royals/Yankees playoff series.
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penbrook 09:09 AM 06-25-2017
Originally Posted by ChiTown:
It's just a really poorly thought out article. I mean, they aren't going to start throwing games just to take themselves out of the race. And, as he mentions himself, there isn't a world beater commanding the ALC, which has kept a lot of teams in the race. There's still plenty of time to think about tomorrow, but for now, we have an opportunity for today.
The guy also doesn't mention merrifield and Bonifacio who have saved this team literally
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Molitoth 09:10 AM 06-25-2017
Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry:
I just want to see a Royals/Yankees playoff series.
Not me, I despise the Yankees and it seems like they freaking own us almost every series.
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Why Not? 09:14 AM 06-25-2017
Originally Posted by penbrook:
The guy also doesn't mention merrifield and Bonifacio who have saved this team literally
I had that same thought. Also, comparing us to the Tigers is way off. The Tigers tried to buy a championship. Our guys are mostly homegrown and much younger than the Tigers core.
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siberian khatru 09:33 AM 06-25-2017
Originally Posted by Molitoth:
Not me, I despise the Yankees and it seems like they freaking own us almost every series.
That ballpark is a horrific matchup for us. I do not relish playing postseason games there.
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mr. tegu 09:56 AM 06-25-2017
I find it amusing that people think selling is some guaranteed way to ensure success, as if guys you trade for will automatically be good. All you have to do is get into the postseason. This isn't football where one player determines the outcome or where undeserving teams make the playoffs. Every team has a legitimate chance to win once the playoffs start.
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tk13 10:15 AM 06-25-2017
That's a terrible article. It just goes down the line of full season statistics and doesn't give any context to any of them. This team had one of the worst offensive months in baseball history to start the season. They are not playing like that now. Even Alex Gordon, he's not playing great but he has a .777 OPS in June. Hammel has a 2.30 ERA in June.

If you want to write that article you should be asking if this recent stretch is a mirage, but I think most people would evaluate a team on how they're playing right now compared to 2 months ago.
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Bearcat 10:48 AM 06-25-2017
Originally Posted by BWillie:
We need a SS more than anything. Then a SP.
I guess if watching the Blue Jays play defense doesn't give you an even better appreciation for what Escobar does in the field, which balances out the not-even-that-terrible .265 in June, nothing will.
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DaneMcCloud 11:29 AM 06-25-2017
Originally Posted by mr. tegu:
I find it amusing that people think selling is some guaranteed way to ensure success, as if guys you trade for will automatically be good.
If not for trades, the Royals would have never been in a position to be World Series team.

Greinke trade: Cain, Escobar, Jeffress and Odorizzi

Wil Myers & Jake Odorizzi: Wade Davis, James Shields

If the Royals are in first place or within striking distance of the WC, I don't expect them to trade anyone.

Time will tell.
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BigCatDaddy 11:44 AM 06-25-2017
Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud:
If not for trades, the Royals would have never been in a position to be World Series team.

Greinke trade: Cain, Escobar, Jeffress and Odorizzi

Wil Myers & Jake Odorizzi: Wade Davis, James Shields

If the Royals are in first place or within striking distance of the WC, I don't expect them to trade anyone.

Time will tell.
And why trying to figure out who is"winning trades" is silly. Sometimes it is about matching up need for need and trading or a good piece in the future for a good piece now. There doesn't always have to be a winner and loser.
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suzzer99 12:47 PM 06-25-2017
Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud:
If not for trades, the Royals would have never been in a position to be World Series team.

Greinke trade: Cain, Escobar, Jeffress and Odorizzi

Wil Myers & Jake Odorizzi: Wade Davis, James Shields

If the Royals are in first place or within striking distance of the WC, I don't expect them to trade anyone.

Time will tell.
Neither of those were half-season rentals.
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