After watching it, I got the impression that the shorter career thing was more directed at Jackson and that he was just kind of lumping Mahomes in there. Sloppy, of course.
Generally speaking, once a QB hits 35+, it will affect him in 2 ways: 1: they'll lose a tenth or two off their 40 time (the classic "lost a step" phenomenon) and 2: They'll lose 5-10 yards off their deep ball. (Note: the above is on average; different QBs will have Father Time hit them at different times and with different effects.)
From there, take both QBs as they are now, make the above changes and see what you have:
For Jackson: He makes his living off his legs. When he loses a step and he's not the running threat he is now, will his passing in the pocket be good enough to still get it done? Based on what I'm seeing now, I'd say no. He gets lots of comparisons to Vick and I'd say career arc will be similar as well (hopefully, minus the dogfighting thing). Once Vick was no longer the fastest guy on the field, he was no longer an effective NFL QB.
For Mahomes: Make the above changes and you do lose a few things. The run against the Titans is probably not in his playbook at that age. Wasp as he executed it in the Super Bowl may not be either (he'll probably be able to get it that far if he can set his feet; he might not be able to do it backpedaling). That said, we'll still have a QB that can move around some when he needs to and will still be able to make throws even a good ways down the field. All the off-angle stuff he can do will still be in his game. So, we'll still likely have a good QB even at that age.
There are 2 other factors (this applies to both): One is Wear and Tear. I don't think Mahomes gets hit any more than your average pocket passer. In fact, with his elusiveness, its probably a little less. Jackson's elusiveness saves him from direct hits himself, but since he does run more, he'll still take a pounding. It'll be at his worst during that point where he's lost that half-step, but hasn't realized it yet (or at least, he still plays as if he hasn't lost it.) and made adjustments.
The other is how far their mental game improves on how to play QB. I think Mahomes will continue to grow in that respect, based on what I've seen of him. I'm not sure where Jackson is on this and where he'll go.
Originally Posted by duncan_idaho:
The only time Mahomes exposed himself to hits running outside the pocket were the AFC championship (the long TD run) and the Super Bowl.
His injuries this year were on “traditional” QB plays, too. Not like they were running around outside the pocket.
Yup his running was super careful as it should be till games where it matters. [Reply]
Originally Posted by KCWolfpack:
After watching it, I got the impression that the shorter career thing was more directed at Jackson and that he was just kind of lumping Mahomes in there. Sloppy, of course.
Generally speaking, once a QB hits 35+, it will affect him in 2 ways: 1: they'll lose a tenth or two off their 40 time (the classic "lost a step" phenomenon) and 2: They'll lose 5-10 yards off their deep ball. (Note: the above is on average; different QBs will have Father Time hit them at different times and with different effects.)
From there, take both QBs as they are now, make the above changes and see what you have:
For Jackson: He makes his living off his legs. When he loses a step and he's not the running threat he is now, will his passing in the pocket be good enough to still get it done? Based on what I'm seeing now, I'd say no. He gets lots of comparisons to Vick and I'd say career arc will be similar as well (hopefully, minus the dogfighting thing). Once Vick was no longer the fastest guy on the field, he was no longer an effective NFL QB.
For Mahomes: Make the above changes and you do lose a few things. The run against the Titans is probably not in his playbook at that age. Wasp as he executed it in the Super Bowl may not be either (he'll probably be able to get it that far if he can set his feet; he might not be able to do it backpedaling). That said, we'll still have a QB that can move around some when he needs to and will still be able to make throws even a good ways down the field. All the off-angle stuff he can do will still be in his game. So, we'll still likely have a good QB even at that age.
There are 2 other factors (this applies to both): One is Wear and Tear. I don't think Mahomes gets hit any more than your average pocket passer. In fact, with his elusiveness, its probably a little less. Jackson's elusiveness saves him from direct hits himself, but since he does run more, he'll still take a pounding. It'll be at his worst during that point where he's lost that half-step, but hasn't realized it yet (or at least, he still plays as if he hasn't lost it.) and made adjustments.
The other is how far their mental game improves on how to play QB. I think Mahomes will continue to grow in that respect, based on what I've seen of him. I'm not sure where Jackson is on this and where he'll go.
Originally Posted by KCWolfpack:
After watching it, I got the impression that the shorter career thing was more directed at Jackson and that he was just kind of lumping Mahomes in there. Sloppy, of course.
Generally speaking, once a QB hits 35+, it will affect him in 2 ways: 1: they'll lose a tenth or two off their 40 time (the classic "lost a step" phenomenon) and 2: They'll lose 5-10 yards off their deep ball. (Note: the above is on average; different QBs will have Father Time hit them at different times and with different effects.)
From there, take both QBs as they are now, make the above changes and see what you have:
For Jackson: He makes his living off his legs. When he loses a step and he's not the running threat he is now, will his passing in the pocket be good enough to still get it done? Based on what I'm seeing now, I'd say no. He gets lots of comparisons to Vick and I'd say career arc will be similar as well (hopefully, minus the dogfighting thing). Once Vick was no longer the fastest guy on the field, he was no longer an effective NFL QB.
For Mahomes: Make the above changes and you do lose a few things. The run against the Titans is probably not in his playbook at that age. Wasp as he executed it in the Super Bowl may not be either (he'll probably be able to get it that far if he can set his feet; he might not be able to do it backpedaling). That said, we'll still have a QB that can move around some when he needs to and will still be able to make throws even a good ways down the field. All the off-angle stuff he can do will still be in his game. So, we'll still likely have a good QB even at that age.
There are 2 other factors (this applies to both): One is Wear and Tear. I don't think Mahomes gets hit any more than your average pocket passer. In fact, with his elusiveness, its probably a little less. Jackson's elusiveness saves him from direct hits himself, but since he does run more, he'll still take a pounding. It'll be at his worst during that point where he's lost that half-step, but hasn't realized it yet (or at least, he still plays as if he hasn't lost it.) and made adjustments.
The other is how far their mental game improves on how to play QB. I think Mahomes will continue to grow in that respect, based on what I've seen of him. I'm not sure where Jackson is on this and where he'll go.
Carr is the Nostradamus of the NFL. His amazing predictions the last few years of the Faders sweeping the Chiefs on the way to the multiple division titles was NAILS! Let's not forget him picking the Chiefs to lose every game the second half of the season too- incredible foresight! He needs his own 1-800 number doing psychic readings- he is That good!! [Reply]
Originally Posted by Chief Roundup:
Is Tribal a woman? That thread title is the reading into things to the level only a woman can do when she is paranoid.
Carr is a brother of a motherfucking Raider, David has also picked the Raiders to beat KC on multiple occasions.r [Reply]
