Possibly goes top 10 but is a big, physical SP with ace potential. Moore and co. will be all over him if he slips a bit and could offer top 10 money at No. 16
OF Jarred Kelenic, Waukasha West HS, WI
Spoiler!
Kelenic is the top prep bat, toolsy OF. Royals would be ecstatic to have shot at him.
1B Triston Casas, American Heritage HS (FL).
Spoiler!
Tremendous raw power, best in HS bats. Royals typically like HS arms or HS bats with "special" tools. He qualifies.
RHP Carter Stewart, Eau de Gallie HS (Ga).
Spoiler!
Another big, physical specimen with huge upside. More likely to be available mid-first than Rocker.
ANY Any, Any (Any). Any current top projected pick who slides for injury concerns. Includes current top prospect prospect SP Brady Singer, U of Florida.
Current Prospects to Watch:
OF Seuly Matias - Huge tools. Hit 2 HR in Lexington (A) season opener.
1B Nick Pratto - Top pick in 17 has advanced approach and good glove; needs to start tapping into power in first full year in minors. Also at Lexington.
OF Michael Gigliotti - Good defender in CF, good OBP skills, plus baserunner. Next mainstay in CF for KC, IMO. Advanced college bat also starting at Lexington.
OF Khalil Lee - Probably has highest upside in Royals' system. Could hit 30 HR in majors, could steal 30 bases. Plus defensive ability in RF. Nice test at Wilmington this year.
3B Emmanuel Rivera - Really nice approach and good contact skills. Power is still developing. Also getting a good test at Wilmington.
SP Foster Griffin - Made nice strides in 2017. Needs to continue to progress in 2018. Could be a lefty version of Jakob Junis (good breaking ball that he can really manipulate, OK fastball, good command).
1B Samir Duenez - Duenez still is intriguing, hoping for a step forward in his power production this year at Northwest Arkansas, which would turn him into a legit prospect.
Others to keep an eye on:
SP Gerson Garabito (Wilmington), OF Marten Gasparini (Lexington), C MJ Melendez (Lexington), RP Tyler Zuber (lexington), RP Richard Lovelady (Omaha), SP Dan Tillo (Lexington), SS Nicky Lopez (NWA), SP Scott Blewett (NWA), OF Brewer Hicklen (Idaho Falls),
In general, Lexington and Wilmington are the most interesting spots to watch. Nice depth and a lot of interesting pieces at both. [Reply]
Originally Posted by OKchiefs:
Can anyone point to many moves by Moore that have worked out in recent years? It seems to me that anytime he does something, the exact opposite turns out to have been a better choice.
One of the best trades Moore ever made was;
On July 20, 2012, Guthrie was traded to the Royals for left-handed starter Jonathan Sánchez.
2012 through 2014, Guthrie may have been the best starting pitcher the Royals had. [Reply]
Originally Posted by OKchiefs:
Those are alright I suppose, but to me the failures far outweigh the successes.
- Giving away Jose Martinez for nothing.
-Not trading Duffy
- Signing Gordon and Kennedy
- Horrible in the draft
I really hope I'm wrong, but despite having 4 top 40 picks I have absolutely no faith in any substance coming from this draft. I also have little faith in getting any substantial return at the trade deadline.
The part in bold is the one that really pisses me off the most. How could he think that Martinez wasn't going to amount much in the MLB, considering he has put up solid numbers in Omaha and in the minors? [Reply]
Originally Posted by Coach:
The part in bold is the one that really pisses me off the most. How could he think that Martinez wasn't going to amount much in the MLB, considering he has put up solid numbers in Omaha and in the minors?
More than solid, I believe he had one of the best seasons ever in that league. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Coach:
The part in bold is the one that really pisses me off the most. How could he think that Martinez wasn't going to amount much in the MLB, considering he has put up solid numbers in Omaha and in the minors?
Context makes it easier to understand.
He was in an independent league in 2014. 2015, he has a great season at Omaha and hit for a high average, but without a lot of power. He was a 6-6 guy who can only play an adequate 1B and who had not shown the power expected of a 1B.
He started the 2016 season in Kansas City’s system and had a large drop off (.298/.356/.433) before they traded him.
He got to St. Louis, changed his swing to get more loft on the ball, started hitting juices baseballs full time, and maybe found some juice himself. (Classic profile of a guy who dopes to make sure his career doesn’t end).
It still was a mistake - this organization is too biased against players who don’t fit the classic ball player mold - but is not like they traded him off the .384 season he had in 2015. He backed it up with 150 ABs of AAAA-looking “meh” in 2016 before the deal. [Reply]
Originally Posted by duncan_idaho:
You spelled Johnson County wrong.
There is a much higher percentage of Royals fans in Johnson County versus any Missouri counties in the KC metro. Waaay more Cards fans IMMEDIATELY once you get to the Missouri side. [Reply]
Originally Posted by BWillie:
There is a much higher percentage of Royals fans in Johnson County versus any Missouri counties in the KC metro. Waaay more Cards fans IMMEDIATELY once you get to the Missouri side.
Originally Posted by BWillie:
There is a much higher percentage of Royals fans in Johnson County versus any Missouri counties in the KC metro. Waaay more Cards fans IMMEDIATELY once you get to the Missouri side.
Edit: little sloshed after a long week. Don’t need to bring state line bs into this fine thread. [Reply]
Originally Posted by duncan_idaho:
Context makes it easier to understand.
He was in an independent league in 2014. 2015, he has a great season at Omaha and hit for a high average, but without a lot of power. He was a 6-6 guy who can only play an adequate 1B and who had not shown the power expected of a 1B.
He started the 2016 season in Kansas City’s system and had a large drop off (.298/.356/.433) before they traded him.
He got to St. Louis, changed his swing to get more loft on the ball, started hitting juices baseballs full time, and maybe found some juice himself. (Classic profile of a guy who dopes to make sure his career doesn’t end).
It still was a mistake - this organization is too biased against players who don’t fit the classic ball player mold - but is not like they traded him off the .384 season he had in 2015. He backed it up with 150 ABs of AAAA-looking “meh” in 2016 before the deal.
But 150 AB's of AAA (or AAAA) is too small of a sample size to truly evaluate a player after having a .384 season. Even finishing at .298/.356/.433 after having a great 2015 season, (which is probably his normal type of a slash line), is still an improvement over some players that is currently on the Royals roster.
Duda is .256/.317/.398/.716 and the Royals are paying him $3.5 million.
Cuthbert is .194/.282/.301/.583
Almonte is .205/.256/.342/.599
Hell, even Orlando is bad as .191/.224/.234/.459
All that, while Martinez is slashing .304/.382.459/.842, and is only making a paltry $560,400.
Sometimes it's just frustrating to see that some players who does well in the minors, doesn't get rewarded (like Martinez) as they should have (like Whit Merrifield, who I been pounding the table on for quite some time). The Royals could have easily able to cut payroll, and still get equal or better performance, instead of signing Lucas Duda.
And they're too biased on trying to get power hitters, whereas they need to start finding players who has a high contact rate and can utilize the whole field. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Coach:
But 150 AB's of AAA (or AAAA) is too small of a sample size to truly evaluate a player after having a .384 season. Even finishing at .298/.356/.433 after having a great 2015 season, (which is probably his normal type of a slash line), is still an improvement over some players that is currently on the Royals roster.
Duda is .256/.317/.398/.716 and the Royals are paying him $3.5 million.
Cuthbert is .194/.282/.301/.583
Almonte is .205/.256/.342/.599
Hell, even Orlando is bad as .191/.224/.234/.459
All that, while Martinez is slashing .304/.382.459/.842, and is only making a paltry $560,400.
Sometimes it's just frustrating to see that some players who does well in the minors, doesn't get rewarded (like Martinez) as they should have (like Whit Merrifield, who I been pounding the table on for quite some time). The Royals could have easily able to cut payroll, and still get equal or better performance, instead of signing Lucas Duda.
And they're too biased on trying to get power hitters, whereas they need to start finding players who has a high contact rate and can utilize the whole field.
I think the bias is in trying to get guys who are too much of a classic mold more than anything else.
It was a mistake, no doubt. They didn’t get much for him and didn’t HAVE to move him.
Originally Posted by dlphg9:
Dayton is a dipshit who lucked into a WS
Nah. He had a clear plan, and it worked. Where he got lucky was that his bounce back, grit and high character acquisitions, (Wade Davis, Morales, Chris Young, Edinson) all came together to kickass in the same year. These types of signings, who more than often flame out for Moore (and Wade even did as a starter) all boosted his homegrown Latin American and Draft heavy team to the promised land.
His core was definitely a product of his scouting and plan of action, however. Now, whether he can adjust to the modern rules of the game remains to be seen, and with his performance so far, the leash needs to be shortening. [Reply]
Originally Posted by duncan_idaho:
And as for deadline returns ... they’ll get some useful pieces but will need more of a scouting win type to really make it pay off.
Teams just don’t pay for rentals like they used to. Prospects are too valued now. Herrera should fetch a fringe 100 prospect type. That can boom into much more, quickly.
Seuly Matias is a great example of that type of guy. He made one top 100 coming into this year and is almost assuredly going to be on all of them next time around.
Can the same be said for Khalil Lee? I’m a huge fan of this kid but haven’t heard much on him since the off-season. [Reply]