Everyone is talking about time of possession. That is mind bogglingly stupid. Winning is about offensive and defensive efficiency. Scores and stops. It has nothing at all to do with time. If Mahomes scores in one play every possession that’s really efficient but won’t take up any time. Moreover if we take a 12 minute drive and fumble at the 2, that isn’t going to win any games but by god we’ll win the time of possession.
Fucking pussies like Squirmin Herman Motherfucking Sack of Cunt Edwards talk about time of possession. Winners talk about scores and stops. [Reply]
Originally Posted by WhiteWhale:
In the past two weeks KC has called 82 passes and 19 rushes. 80% passing in games that have been within 1 score pretty much the entire time. Think about how stupid that is.
Anyone think MAYBE that's impacting time of possession? Also causing Mahomes to take more hits and throw more incompletions. It's all connected folks!
Get your shit together Andy. I don't care where you put it. Pack it in a bag. Put it in your hotel. Just get all of your shit in one place... together. GET YOUR SHIT TOGETHER!
Andy is not a good coach-period. He can't control his team and keep them from having crucial and abundant penalties every game. He calls a shit game and then stands there like he is thinking about what he wants for dinner. :-) [Reply]
Whether our offense grinds out a long drive or scores fast, our defense stays out on the field way too long. This has nothing to do with our offense scoring too quick. This is 100% about our defense being almost totally incompetent in getting off the field on any drive. Even our INTs typically come after a 10 play drive. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Halfcan:
Andy is not a good coach-period. He can't control his team and keep them from having crucial and abundant penalties every game. He calls a shit game and then stands there like he is thinking about what he wants for dinner. :-)
We have penalties because other good teams are exposing us on both sides of the ball(trench play) that we do not have enough talent especially in the trenches and on defense.
This is what happens. Penalties occur more often when a player is not talented enough to legitimately compete by the rules. Sure there are those players that get lazy and undisciplined BUT that is not the case with this team. We have great offensive ball skill players no doubt, BUT THAT's IT !!! IMHO. [Reply]
The defense TOP matters big time. It keeps our offense out of rhythm. It wears out our defense and keeps the opposing defense fresh. It is a complete drain on the home crowd. And it's a lot easier to get turnovers on a team desperate to pass the ball than it is trying to get a fumble from a team who plays dink and dunk football.
Its terrible and it's inexcusable. We don't have to win TOP. But our defense has to stop getting CLOBBERED in TOP. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Chiefshrink:
We have penalties because other good teams are exposing us on both sides of the ball(trench play) that we do not have enough talent especially in the trenches and on defense.
This is what happens. Penalties occur more often when a player is not talented enough to legitimately compete by the rules. Sure there are those players that get lazy and undisciplined BUT that is not the case with this team. We have great offensive ball skill players no doubt, BUT THAT's IT !!! IMHO.
Andy's teams have been some of the most penalized teams in the NFL since he has been here. All he does is say the same shit every week- "we need to clean some stuff up." :-)
Andy does not know how to build a balanced team. Like Vermeil, he is incapable of building talent on the defensive side of the ball.
Special teams have been horrible too. Cost us 3 more points this week in a tight game. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Buehler445:
Everyone is talking about time of possession. That is mind bogglingly stupid. Winning is about offensive and defensive efficiency. Scores and stops. It has nothing at all to do with time. If Mahomes scores in one play every possession that’s really efficient but won’t take up any time. Moreover if we take a 12 minute drive and fumble at the 2, that isn’t going to win any games but by god we’ll win the time of possession.
Fucking pussies like Squirmin Herman Motherfucking Sack of Cunt Edwards talk about time of possession. Winners talk about scores and stops.
WOW man this is so contradictory that it is almost stupid.
If you can't see the correlation between stops equating to more TOP which would equal more scores then you sure don't understand the game as no team is ever going to be 100% efficient on offense. It is just ridiculously stupid to think Mahomes and this offense can and will score every time it touches the ball. [Reply]
Reid knows he cannot run the ball at will(and why he abandons because defenses make their adjustments) and PM2 II is talented enough to get away with throwing 75-80% of the time assuming everyone is healthy and even when they are not Reid still throws cuz he knows he still has a chance with Pat.
Couldn't agree more.
The horrid defense is a given issue BUT until that gets fixed it is our offensive line that cannot pass block nor run block against good d-lines that is our next biggest issue
We are not scoring fast therefore TOP is very relevant.
You address directly by getting better o-line play and a better run defense BUT this is not happening this year unfortunately IMHO.
and who would ? Not me !! BUT we are not scoring fast so..........
Were not getting either in a timely fashion it seems. Therefore what do you do then? You try to possess the ball to get more opportunities, I think?:-)
Too dumb to understand the difference between correlation and causation. Noted. [Reply]
It's surreal to think that after the 6:36 mark of the third quarter (when the Chiefs scored a TD to go up 24-23), they ran SIX(!) offensive plays for the rest of the game... two three and outs.
Meanwhile Houston ran 32 plays during that same time-frame. [Reply]
Didnt read the thread but yeah TOP might be the dumbest thing that the old school guys on nfl shows like Cowher and announcers obsess over. It's the equivalent of still talking batting average in baseball. That and the importance of establishing the running game lol. Fucking old school idiots need to retire to Florida. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Giant Octopodes:
This is phenomenally short-sighted. Yes, drive efficiency matters. Getting a drive that results in a score in 1:20 is theoretically Much better than getting a field goal in 12:00. However, it ignores that this is a game which is played by humans, operating at the peak or near the peak of their effort level, who get tired.
If you think your defense sucks right when they get on the field, how do you think they'll look after they've been out there 40 minutes? Defenses getting "worn down" results in greater drive efficiency for the opposing team, whereas facing a well-rested defense that is fresh as a daisy when you're in the 4th quarter is sub-optimal for your own drive efficiency.
Ultimately, time of possession is about effective energy levels, and differences in time of possession can be mitigated by differences in conditioning level, or can exacerbate existing differences. The Falcons vs the Patriots in the Super Bowl started out hot, Way too hot, burned up all the energy of their young, super-fast team, and then lost because they got tired, and it resulted in notable differences in the level of play and execution. The Chiefs offense is already bad for the defense in that they're a quick-strike team that gets off the field quickly, whether or not they score. The Chiefs defense letting drives drag out relentlessly and letting themselves get worn down adds to that, and results in a second-half defense which let's just say leaves something to be desired, and fails to set up the offense for max success in the late stages of the game.
OK. So I’m shortsighted because I suggest that we look at the actual production of the unit regardless of the circumstance. Then you go list off a bunch of situations that are essentially excuses for poor production.
I want to look at high level overviews of the game and you want to look at specific excuses.
One of those is short sighted but it’s not me, man.
Time of possession is a fine indicator as it does sometimes correlate to winning. But Reid sits there and says time of possession is on him. Hogshit. Figure out how to score points and get stops, whatever way you can. Fuck TOP [Reply]
Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501:
The defense TOP matters big time. It keeps our offense out of rhythm. It wears out our defense and keeps the opposing defense fresh. It is a complete drain on the home crowd. And it's a lot easier to get turnovers on a team desperate to pass the ball than it is trying to get a fumble from a team who plays dink and dunk football.
Its terrible and it's inexcusable. We don't have to win TOP. But our defense has to stop getting CLOBBERED in TOP.
Get stops and TOP will follow.
Originally Posted by Chief Roundup:
WOW man this is so contradictory that it is almost stupid.
If you can't see the correlation between stops equating to more TOP which would equal more scores then you sure don't understand the game as no team is ever going to be 100% efficient on offense. It is just ridiculously stupid to think Mahomes and this offense can and will score every time it touches the ball.
Motherfucker
THEY ARE CORRELATED. BUT TOP IS NOT CAUSAL TO WINNING.
Read that again.
For fucks motherfucking sake. There is a difference between correlation and causation.
We’re talking about getting wins. The team needs to strive towards affecting change to factors that are causal to winning. Stops and scores. Not time of fucking possession
Originally Posted by jerryaldini:
Didnt read the thread but yeah TOP might be the dumbest thing that the old school guys on nfl shows like Cowher and announcers obsess over. It's the equivalent of still talking batting average in baseball. That and the importance of establishing the running game lol. Fucking old school idiots need to retire to Florida.
Careful. You’ll blow up some fools heads up in here. [Reply]
Originally Posted by -King-:
The longer a team has the ball the more likely they are to score. The less a team has the ball, the less chances they have to score.
It's a pretty simple concept.
Great example here. One team has a prolific downfield pass game. Another has a grind it out running game. Which wins TOP.? Which is the better strategy in the modern NFL? [Reply]
Originally Posted by Buehler445:
Careful. You’ll blow up some fools heads up in here.
Yeah appreciate your effort but not worth it. Apparently when infected with 90s Martyball and going to sports bars where fans talk about the importance of establishing the running game and smash mouth football, you never quite recover. Especially when the networks are still dominated by 80s-90s pontificators. [Reply]
