We don't really have one of these yet, so figured we could use this as a place to discuss potential free agent acquisitions and what we would like to look for them to bring in.
If any of you guys are interested, heres a good place to do some research.
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
He's absolutely slow. And he's not fat for a DE, but he's soft. He needs to get some bad weight off in a big way (something he's acknowledged). He was simply incapable of pushing guys backwards and if you lack the feet to outmaneuver them or the hands to out fight them, you better at least have the functional strength to physically move them (again, Allen Bailey). Speaks doesn't.
As for K-Pass, the dude's long with excellent functional strength and solid 'glide' speed. His first step needs help but that's why he was so badly mis-cast as an OLB.
You're right that he has no technique, but that's a completely different discussion. But to say that a guy with his baseline strength, length and overall athleticism has no tools is to define the term so narrowly as to mean nothing.
KPass literally IS nothing. No snaps, no production, NOTHING.
But yeah, let's focus on how "soft" Speaks is. [Reply]
Originally Posted by staylor26:
Lol this is exactly what he did with Mahomes though (he didn’t actually make the pick, but you know what I mean)
You win some and you lose some. I still have hope for Speaks though, and I honestly think he surprises people this year.
The point is he got tunnel vision for one player in the 2nd round of the draft.
I can accept that Speaks was near the top of their board to begin Day 2. What I can't accept is that moving up to get him was out of fear that he wouldn't fall when the Chiefs could have just as easily taken a different player at a different position when he got selected. [Reply]
Originally Posted by RealSNR:
"This wasn't a great pass rusher draft, so we asked ourselves where we could get the most value out of that position and still land a really great player."
**** you, Veach. Not a great pass rusher draft? Then DON'T DRAFT A ****ING PASS RUSHER. It's not that ****ing hard, you moron.
The Chiefs were too good at CB and S before the draft last year for you to take somebody there? DL? They were too good? Allen Bailey didn't need to be replaced in a year? Hell, you had a wide gaping hole at NT. You couldn't have improved there?
TE? RB? G? Those were aaaaallllll ****ing gravy, huh? Nothing at all you could have done to get a player who would see the field and make an impact for the team in the near future, even if that meant the next season, eh?
Nope. Pass rusher was the only option I guess.
The last time I heard a Chiefs GM expound on their draft strategy and sound MORE ignorant was in 2009 when Pioli admitted to that being an "evaluation" year to take stock of the roster.
I hope like hell you learned a lot from year 1 to year 2, Brett. Otherwise we're in deep shit.
Originally Posted by RealSNR:
"This wasn't a great pass rusher draft, so we asked ourselves where we could get the most value out of that position and still land a really great player."
Fuck you, Veach. Not a great pass rusher draft? Then DON'T DRAFT A FUCKING PASS RUSHER. It's not that fucking hard, you moron.
The Chiefs were too good at CB and S before the draft last year for you to take somebody there? DL? They were too good? Allen Bailey didn't need to be replaced in a year? Hell, you had a wide gaping hole at NT. You couldn't have improved there?
TE? RB? G? Those were aaaaallllll fucking gravy, huh? Nothing at all you could have done to get a player who would see the field and make an impact for the team in the near future, even if that meant the next season, eh?
Nope. Pass rusher was the only option I guess.
The last time I heard a Chiefs GM expound on their draft strategy and sound MORE ignorant was in 2009 when Pioli admitted to that being an "evaluation" year to take stock of the roster.
I hope like hell you learned a lot from year 1 to year 2, Brett. Otherwise we're in deep shit.
Originally Posted by RealSNR:
The point is he got tunnel vision for one player in the 2nd round of the draft.
I can accept that Speaks was near the top of their board to begin Day 2. What I can't accept is that moving up to get him was out of fear that he wouldn't fall when the Chiefs could have just as easily taken a different player at a different position when he got selected.
So should they have done the same thing with Mahomes?
Veach is aggressive. That’s just who he is. He did the same thing with Nnadi who was a great pick. Relax. [Reply]
Originally Posted by htismaqe:
What's wrong with Thornhill? :-)
I don't see a first round pick and I see a guy who doesn't stand apart from several options almost certain to be available to us in the 2nd.
So if Veach takes him in the first and makes some speach about how the draft board fell apart after him when there are guys like Rapp, Savage, Gardner Johnson, Bell, Thompson, Hooker, etc... that are likely to be there in the 2nd, that's the same kind of tunnel vision and infatuation that led him to making a rash decision on Speaks.
As SNR said, it's deciding on a player before you absorb the board. [Reply]
Originally Posted by RealSNR:
The point is he got tunnel vision for one player in the 2nd round of the draft.
I can accept that Speaks was near the top of their board to begin Day 2. What I can't accept is that moving up to get him was out of fear that he wouldn't fall when the Chiefs could have just as easily taken a different player at a different position when he got selected.
And if Speaks blows up this year and has a bunch of sacks?
I didn't like the pick either and I especially didn't like trading up to get him.
But what else are we going to do? Sit here and wring our hands in angst the whole time we have Patrick Mahomes because Veach screwed up his FIRST EVER draft pick?
They just got done shedding like $40M in salary cap anchors. Let's have a little hope. [Reply]
Originally Posted by RealSNR:
Ugh. Now I'm all pessimistic about the kind of draft we'll have this year, especially with the extra 2nd round pick. Hearing Veach talk about their beliefs that Speaks wouldn't be there and how desperate they were to get a pass rusher makes me think he'll do the exact same ****ing thing again on draft day.
This dude REALLY suffers from tunnel vision. It's probably the scout in him, where he's built a career on bugging the shit out of the HC and GM over one particular guy. It's like he went in to Day 2 with one strategy and one strategy only: draft Breeland Speaks no matter what.
I get he really liked him, but holy crap... he's actually serious when he says there was such a sharp drop off in ability and talent at other positions at that particular point in the draft? He's saying the Chiefs board was actually all about Breeland Speaks and the next best guy wasn't even close to the appropriate late-2nd round value that they had with that selection?
I'm honestly preparing for the worst this year. I really don't trust Veach when it comes to drafts. Sorry. You can't be that focused and obsessed about one player in the 2nd round. You just can't. And if you are, it means you need to get more perspective and gain more flexibility as the primary decision maker on draft day. He clearly seems to have a problem with adjusting his draft strategies on the fly.
I'm torn on Veach. I'm still optimistic but a little worried that his first draft has really only yielded solid production from Nnadi. I think the possibility is still there for the rest of the draft class but only time will tell.
On the positive side, he does seem to have a knack for spotting talent on other teams and pulling the trigger (Ward, Butker, Lucas, etc.). Also, when he hits he hits big (Mahomes, Cox, McCoy).
All in all, I think he is a good evaluator of talent but may need a little time to grow into a top notch GM. [Reply]
Originally Posted by RealSNR:
"This wasn't a great pass rusher draft, so we asked ourselves where we could get the most value out of that position and still land a really great player."
Fuck you, Veach. Not a great pass rusher draft? Then DON'T DRAFT A FUCKING PASS RUSHER. It's not that fucking hard, you moron.
The Chiefs were too good at CB and S before the draft last year for you to take somebody there? DL? They were too good? Allen Bailey didn't need to be replaced in a year? Hell, you had a wide gaping hole at NT. You couldn't have improved there?
TE? RB? G? Those were aaaaallllll fucking gravy, huh? Nothing at all you could have done to get a player who would see the field and make an impact for the team in the near future, even if that meant the next season, eh?
Nope. Pass rusher was the only option I guess.
The last time I heard a Chiefs GM expound on their draft strategy and sound MORE ignorant was in 2009 when Pioli admitted to that being an "evaluation" year to take stock of the roster.
I hope like hell you learned a lot from year 1 to year 2, Brett. Otherwise we're in deep shit.
It still wasn't as bad as Pioli's "I don't believe in positional value" or whatever such fucking idiocy he was spewing when he took Jackson at 3 overall. [Reply]
And here are the contract terms: Golden Tate to the Giants on a four-year, $37.5 million deal that includes $23 million fully guaranteed, per source. https://t.co/TN6fNHOfHv
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
I don't see a first round pick and I see a guy who doesn't stand apart from several options almost certain to be available to us in the 2nd.
So if Veach takes him in the first and makes some speach about how the draft board fell apart after him when there are guys like Rapp, Savage, Gardner Johnson, Bell, Thompson, Hooker, etc... that are likely to be there in the 2nd, that's the same kind of tunnel vision and infatuation that led him to making a rash decision on Speaks.
As SNR said, it's deciding on a player before you absorb the board.
It's the 29th pick, not the 9th. If they think Thornhill is a better fit than those other guys, even though WE might not, it is what it is. I don't see any reason to get worked up about it until we actually know something. [Reply]
Originally Posted by penchief:
I'm torn on Veach. I'm still optimistic but a little worried that his first draft has really only yielded solid production from Nnadi. I think the possibility is still there for the rest of the draft class but only time will tell.
On the positive side, he does seem to have a knack for spotting talent on other teams and pulling the trigger (Ward, Butker, Lucas, etc.). Also, when he hits he hits big (Mahomes, Cox, McCoy).
All in all, I think he is a good evaluator of talent but may need a little time to grow into a top notch GM.
Tremon Smith was a top 3 kick returner in the league (#2 according to PFF). That was a GREAT pick. [Reply]
