Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.
We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.
Thanks!
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Spoiler!
Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.
California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.
“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”
The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.
The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”
Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.
The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.
The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.
A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.
Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.
“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”
It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.
“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”
On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.
“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”
According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.
More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.
But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.
“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”
CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.
Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.
“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”
Originally Posted by petegz28:
Yeah, cause I am blowing it off. That's the problems with people like you. I state the actual, factual data and you get pissed off about it. You can run out all the straw men you want but that doesn't change the actual data and you're pissed about it.
That data shows what is shows. I didn't make it that way. It's not my fault if I look at the data rather than one or two cases and make my assumptions.
In fact, lew, you are case proof of my point, but yeah, you know, I am blowing it off.
Total bullshit. I literally just presented you with the actual data and you blew it off because it blows up your argument.
You're just getting off on being a piece of shit person who wants to be a contrarian. [Reply]
Originally Posted by tk13:
Total bullshit. I literally just presented you with the actual data and you blew it off because it blows up your argument.
You're just getting off on being a piece of shit person who wants to be a contrarian.
What data did you present? That .005% of our population have died from Covid? That for every diagnosed case you have literally a 4 out of 10 chance of not even knowing you have it? Or that you have literally a 9.5 out of 10 chance of not dying if not even better?
Yeah, I know, I am a piece of shit because I pointed out the facts but whatever. [Reply]
Originally Posted by dirk digler:
I realize that but my thinking was that rural areas covid cases would be very small. Obviously if they have a lot of cases you can’t open schools
That's the general issue with mandating on a federal level that schools open. There are areas that maybe can open, and areas that definitely should not. This pandemic is different in different places
On a different note, as far as the 1% fatality goes, studies have been coming out showing fairly dramatic numbers in terms of neurological and internal/organ damage among people who have recovered. So we're potentially talking about life-altering and likely life-shortening ramifications from many of these non-fatal cases, which obviously won't be reflected in death rates.
This is bad shit, and recovery from it doesn't appear to always be as simple or thorough as getting over a cold. [Reply]
Originally Posted by petegz28:
What data did you present? Yeah, I know, I am a piece of shit because I pointed out the facts but whatever.
This is a bunch of crap and not worth our time. You're just arguing to argue. You're trolling all over this thread at this point and should probably be kicked out of this thread.
You said 1 out of 100 people get sick like Freddie Freeman described in that article. I said the actual numbers probably say around 1 in 100 people in America die. Even if we're undercounting the numbers by a significant amount, which we probably are, it's probably somewhere near that number.
When presented with the actual facts, you make some completely meaningless remark about "spraying" the numbers, which doesn't actually mean anything... then go on and act like you're the one spouting facts. Or the alternative is you just have a 1st grade understanding of math and you literally can't process what I'm saying.
And if you want the actual facts, it's probably between 10-20% of people get really sick from this thing like described there, but go on with your "99 other cases" argument. [Reply]
On a different note, as far as the 1% fatality goes, studies have been coming out showing fairly dramatic numbers in terms of neurological and internal/organ damage among people who have recovered. So we're potentially talking about life-altering and likely life-shortening ramifications from many of these non-fatal cases, which obviously won't be reflected in death rates.
This is bad shit, and recovery from it doesn't appear to always be as simple or thorough as getting over a cold.
I'd like to read said studies, if you have them handy. [Reply]
Originally Posted by petegz28:
What data did you present? That .005% of our population have died from Covid? That for every diagnosed case you have literally a 4 out of 10 chance of not even knowing you have it? Or that you have literally a 9.5 out of 10 chance of not dying if not even better?
Yeah, I know, I am a piece of shit because I pointed out the facts but whatever.
Oh so now it's the percentage of the total population you care about, and not the cases.
You are a whiny piece of shit. You're in here telling people who have actually experienced the disease they're full of it, and acting like something that has killed 140,000 people is no big deal. You're not a good person. [Reply]
Originally Posted by tk13:
This is a bunch of crap and not worth our time. You're just arguing to argue. You're trolling all over this thread at this point and should probably be kicked out of this thread.
You said 1 out of 100 people get sick like Freddie Freeman described in that article. I said the actual numbers probably say around 1 in 100 people in America die. Even if we're undercounting the numbers by a significant amount, which we probably are, it's probably somewhere near that number.
When presented with the actual facts, you make some completely meaningless remark about "spraying" the numbers, which doesn't actually mean anything... then go on and act like you're the one spouting facts. Or you just have a 1st grade understanding of math.
And if you want the actual, actual facts, the current belief is it's probably between 10-20% of people get really sick from this thing like described there, but go on with your completely false "99 other cases" argument.
You said the actual number is "probably say"...yeah whatever. You're just pissed off because I pointed out that for every serious case there are a lot more that are not serious and we need to keep perspective.
I am not the one struggling with the math. You are the one pissed off because I pointed out the math and you for whatever reason don't like it.
You want to present one case and sell it as if it is the majority of cases when in fact as we have seen thus far it is far into the minority, thankfully. [Reply]
I wonder sometimes why there's so much focus on death rate and not on the actual number of deaths. Although it is hard to think about 142k people dying from this. At least it is for me. [Reply]
This is how ****ed up our town is. We have community spread, it is hotter than shit out side and there is hundreds of our wonderful citizens jammed packed into our fairgrounds bleachers to watch demolition derby. Of course no one is wearing masks.
Originally Posted by tk13:
Oh so now it's the percentage of the total population you care about, and not the cases.
You are a whiny piece of shit. You're in here telling people who have actually experienced the disease they're full of it, and acting like something that has killed 140,000 people is no big deal. You're not a good person.
Yeah, keep pretending I said what I didn't say because it's about all you got left.Pointing out the actual data does not mean one cares or doesn't cares. It means one is pointing out the actual data. [Reply]
Originally Posted by keg in kc:
I wonder sometimes why there's so much focus on death rate and not on the actual number of deaths. Although it is hard to think about 142k people dying from this. At least it is for me.
Agreed. It seems people just think these are just numbers and not human beings.
But it is going to get worse the CDC is predicting we will have pass 160k dead in a couple of weeks. [Reply]
Originally Posted by petegz28:
Yeah, keep pretending I said what I didn't say because it's about all you got left.Pointing out the actual data does not mean one cares or doesn't cares. It means one is pointing out the actual data.
The "actual data" says 3.7% of the people who have tested positive for COVID in America have died.
The "actual data" says that about 60,000 people in America are hospitalized for COVID right now.
I don't know what you're even talking about. It's not even based in any kind of reality. [Reply]
Originally Posted by petegz28:
You said the actual number is "probably say"...yeah whatever. You're just pissed off because I pointed out that for every serious case there are a lot more that are not serious and we need to keep perspective.
I am not the one struggling with the math. You are the one pissed off because I pointed out the math and you for whatever reason don't like it.
You want to present one case and sell it as if it is the majority of cases when in fact as we have seen thus far it is far into the minority, thankfully.
It’s not just about deaths.
And since we can’t determine who gets a mild case and who gets a severe case......yeah, it’s fairly scary. You’re coming off like another person who will only take it seriously if it’s your family involved. I’ve seen numerous people I know need hospitalization over this and they were all under 65 years old. Yeah they’ll likely live, but at what cost to their quality and quantity of life. My coworker in The hospital right now will have pulmonary damage, fact. He’s a healthy 56 years old and facing a ventilator.
Originally Posted by keg in kc:
I wonder sometimes why there's so much focus on death rate and not on the actual number of deaths. Although it is hard to think about 142k people dying from this. At least it is for me.
I said that when we passed World War I. That's unfathomable to me. This thing has killed more Americans than some of our biggest wars, and it did it in less than 6 months.
It's really that people have gotten good at lying to themselves because they're more interested in scoring political points than being an actual person. [Reply]
