Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.
We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.
Thanks!
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Spoiler!
Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.
California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.
“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”
The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.
The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”
Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.
The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.
The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.
A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.
Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.
“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”
It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.
“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”
On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.
“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”
According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.
More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.
But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.
“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”
CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.
Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.
“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”
Originally Posted by mr. tegu:
I don’t think you should feel overly responsible to a company that can’t keep you employed and I don’t think they would fault you for moving on. I think ultimately though it sounds like you have to ask yourself if it matters if they spin it to make you look bad.
Thanks, agree I've decided im just gonna be honest and do what feels right for me and just move on. It doesn't matter if there are some people that don't understand then who really cares. Probably won't see most of them again anyway. [Reply]
Originally Posted by kepp:
Your job is a business transaction. You do something for them...they do something for you. Right now they're not doing anything for you. Take the new job. Don't get sentimental.
Thanks, def took the new job and you are right they aren't doing shit for me and im not doing anything for them. Contract is now voided an loyalty is out the window on either side. I am sure they are gonna do layoffs anyhow soon. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Kidd Lex:
I can’t speak for others but I don’t come here much anymore because of trolls like you who make everything a zero sum game of arguing straw men. I could give a f about the media fear mongering or the politicians. I’ve only ever cared about the science, and as a pandemic unfolds before our eyes the science has been incredible and messy all at the same time, truly unprecedented. Science is always changing and testing hypothesis, and that’s why I trust it above all, but understand it can and will change direction as more research is done. That’s the scientific method, and about the only thing one can find any truth in even as its changing at warp speed.
Normally, I would agree with you on the science part. However, it seems to be filtered through bias, politically motivated or something else.
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Hydroxychloroquine Study Corrected After More Than 100 Scientists Question Findings
BY KATABELLA ROBERTS May 31, 2020 Updated: May 31, 2020 Print
Medical journal The Lancet on May 29 issued a correction to a recent study which found that antimalarial drugs Hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine were linked with an increased risk of mortality in hospitals, and an increased frequency of irregular heart rhythms.
The study, titled, “Hydroxychloroquine or chloroquine with or without a macrolide for treatment of COVID-19: a multinational registry analysis,” and published on May 22, included records of 96,032 patients from 671 hospitals in six continents. The patients were hospitalized between Dec. 20, 2019, and April 14, 2020.
Patients receiving the anti-malarials were put in four different groups: chloroquine alone, chloroquine with a macrolide, hydroxychloroquine alone, or hydroxychloroquine with a macrolide. Patients who received none of the treatments formed a control group. Researchers found the 14,888 patients in the treatment group suffered higher mortality when compared to the control group of over 80,000.
“We were unable to confirm a benefit of hydroxychloroquine or chloroquine, when used alone or with a macrolide, on in-hospital outcomes for COVID-19,” the researchers wrote.
The study led the World Health Organization to temporarily suspend the trial of hydroxychloroquine on COVID-19 patients, and to the UK regulatory body, MHRA, requesting the temporary pause of recruitment into all hydroxychloroquine trials in the UK. France also changed its national recommendation of the drug in COVID-19 treatments and halted all trials.
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A pharmacy tech pours out pills of hydroxychloroquine at Rock Canyon Pharmacy in Provo, Utah, on May 20, 2020. (George Frey/AFP via Getty Images)
However, more than a hundred scientists and medical professionals raised questions about integrity of data analyzed in the study and subsequently wrote an open letter to its authors and the editor of The Lancet, listing 10 major concerns.
These included the fact that there was “no ethics review,” and “unusually small reported variances in baseline variables, interventions and outcomes,” as well as “no mention of the countries or hospitals that contributed to the data source and no acknowledgments to their contributions.” A request to the authors for information on the contributing centers was denied, the letter said.
Among the scientists other concerns were that the average daily doses of hydroxychloroquine were higher than the FDA-recommended amounts and that data reportedly from Australian patients did not seem to match data from the Australian government.
“Too many cases for just five hospitals, more in hospital deaths than had occurred in the entire country during the study period,” they wrote, noting that Surgisphere, a healthcare data analytics company, has since stated this was an error of classification of one hospital from Asia. “This indicates the need for further error checking throughout the data base,” they wrote.
The scientists also said the authors “have not adhered to standard practices in the machine learning and statistics community. They have not released their code or data.”
“Data from Africa indicate that nearly 25% of all COVID-19 cases and 40% of all deaths in the continent occurred in Surgisphere-associated hospitals which had sophisticated electronic patient data recording, and patient monitoring able to detect and record ‘nonsustained [at least 6 secs] or sustained ventricular tachycardia or ventricular fibrillation.’ Both the numbers of cases and deaths, and the detailed data collection, seem unlikely.”
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A pharmacist shows a bottle of the drug hydroxychloroquine in Oakland, Calif., on April 6, 2020. (Ben Margot/AP Photo)
The Lancet’s study was informed by data from Surgisphere of which Sapan Desai, the president and Chief Executive Officer, is listed as one of the four authors.
“We discovered that a hospital that joined the Surgisphere registry on April 1, 2020 (in between our quarterly audit periods) self-designated as belonging to the Australasia continental designation. In reviewing the data from each of the hospitals in the registry, we noted that this hospital should have more appropriately been assigned to the Asian continental designation,” Surgisphere said in a statement.
“This hospital was properly reclassified in our database. The findings of the paper are unaffected by this update,” the company said.
In the correction issued on Friday, The Lancet also mentioned the same hospital.
“The appendix has also been corrected. An incorrect appendix table S3 was included, originally derived from a propensity score matched and weighted table developed during a preliminary analysis. The unadjusted raw summary data are now included.”
The Lancet added that there “have been no changes to the findings of the paper,” and that the corrections have been made to the online version and will also be made to the printed version.
In response to the correction issued on May 29, James Watson, a Thailand-based statistician with the University of Oxford’s Centre for Tropical Medicine and Global Health, who led the drafting of the letter, told BuzzFeed News that the authors of the study had failed to address the other nine points referred to in the letter.
Originally Posted by Kidd Lex:
My apologies to you then, I’m likely wrong labeling you. How about we don’t argue about social politics and focus the thread back on the plethora of science that has come out the last few days. Mostly positive news, and a lot of reasons to be optimistic.
There has been positive news for quite some time now, especially around increasing information about more people infected than thought and asymptomatic people.
You should care about the media and politicians though because they are one of the biggest contributors to dismissing and/or misrepresenting science and information that leads to people being used very emotional and not using their brains to think. [Reply]
Originally Posted by mr. tegu:
No way. I actually don’t expect too much of a bump in cases but that will be attributed to the warmer weather. But as soon as the rioting goes away and fall comes back, the same outlets will be all over coronavirus again, manufacturing outrage, and demanding distancing, shutdowns, etc. Make no mistake about it.
The Spanish flu showed up in the spring, mostly disappeared in the summer, and then came back in the fall much worse than before.
Hopefully covid 19 doesn't do the same.
But if it does, shutdowns and distancing would be the prudent thing to do.
Some places might be willing to adjust to new circumstances. But it's pretty clear many will not. Hopefully we don't get serious hotspots, like NYC, in the fall. But I can't say it would surprise me to see it happen. [Reply]
This doctor takes apart the recent study published in The Lancet. Now I know some people will just say this is one person, blah, blah. But that's not what I'm looking for here. I want the arrogant people who are so sure that Hydroxychloriquine will not work against COVID 19 to explain to me where he is wrong, where all of the people that signed a letter questioning the study got it wrong, etc. Now I admit that I am not educated in this area but this person sounds to me as though he is very educated with these things. This doctor says he no longer has faith in The Lancet due to this being published. Is he wrong? Why? Let's hear it.
And for those of you who say that you only trust science and want to learn and educate yourselves, will you watch this and learn some things? Or will you just ignore this and continue to be led by people who may not have your best interests in mind? [Reply]
This doctor takes apart the recent study published in The Lancet. Now I know some people will just say this is one person, blah, blah. But that's not what I'm looking for here. I want the arrogant people who are so sure that Hydroxychloriquine will not work against COVID 19 to explain to me where he is wrong, where all of the people that signed a letter questioning the study got it wrong, etc. Now I admit that I am not educated in this area but this person sounds to me as though he is very educated with these things. This doctor says he no longer has faith in The Lancet due to this being published. Is he wrong? Why? Let's hear it.
And for those of you who say that you only trust science and want to learn and educate yourselves, will you watch this and learn some things? Or will you just ignore this and continue to be led by people who may not have your best interests in mind?
If this random doctor questions the Lancet study, then he should present his official peer review of the Lancet study and address his concerns the official way. That's how actual science works. Not via a Youtube opinion video. Anybody can claim whatever they want in a video, but it's meaningless until a consensus of other experts can also peer review his findings and provide confirmation or not.
Watching a video is not how to determine right from wrong. You have to actually apply the scientific process. Take his idea and apply the scientific method and let his claims be peer reviewed. If they're legit, then they will pass that process and be accepted. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Fish:
If this random doctor questions the Lancet study, then he should present his official peer review of the Lancet study and address his concerns the official way. That's how actual science works. Not via a Youtube opinion video. Anybody can claim whatever they want in a video, but it's meaningless until a consensus of other experts can also peer review his findings and provide confirmation or not.
Watching a video is not how to determine right from wrong. You have to actually apply the scientific process. Take his idea and apply the scientific method and let his claims be peer reviewed. If they're legit, then they will pass that process and be accepted.
This doctor takes apart the recent study published in The Lancet. Now I know some people will just say this is one person, blah, blah. But that's not what I'm looking for here. I want the arrogant people who are so sure that Hydroxychloriquine will not work against COVID 19 to explain to me where he is wrong, where all of the people that signed a letter questioning the study got it wrong, etc. Now I admit that I am not educated in this area but this person sounds to me as though he is very educated with these things. This doctor says he no longer has faith in The Lancet due to this being published. Is he wrong? Why? Let's hear it.
And for those of you who say that you only trust science and want to learn and educate yourselves, will you watch this and learn some things? Or will you just ignore this and continue to be led by people who may not have your best interests in mind?
I don't think most experts refer to coronavirus as the honeybadger virus ina professional setting. [Reply]
I love the sign that says not to hug someone with high fever , red eyes and vomiting and stomach ache, it would probably not be my first instinct when meeting somebody in that condition. [Reply]