Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.
We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.
Thanks!
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Spoiler!
Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.
California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.
“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”
The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.
The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”
Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.
The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.
The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.
A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.
Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.
“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”
It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.
“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”
On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.
“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”
According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.
More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.
But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.
“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”
CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.
Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.
“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”
Originally Posted by BIG_DADDY:
There is a lot of information out there that states that in China the best results for treatment have come from high dose vitamin C drips. If I felt like I was getting something I think I would get one immediately along with a hyperbaric IV ozone therapy 10 pass. Don't expect to hear about any of this from our trusted friends at the CDC, FDA or WHO.
Do they all want us to die? Why would they not tell us if there was something that might be effective? Tons of loons touting this and that herbal remedy or essential oil will help cure Covid-19. I would imagine it's all a bunch of BS. [Reply]
Originally Posted by BIG_DADDY:
Whatever. It always kills me that people who run in the circles I do who prescribe to a lot of what many of you consider misinformation are so much healthier than the general population. (Much Healthier)One of them treats a bunch of the 49ers, I wonder why and how they ended up there. It's kind of a who's who of the silicon valley with executives. If you think you are getting better advice at Kaiser from a doctor following AMA protocol knock yourself out. IMO, diet matters. Supplements matter. Exercise matters. Treatments matter. It's so weird that this is the only place I go where people think it doesn't. IMO diet is king. To each their own though.
It kills me that you think any part of describing a group of people that share the same beliefs as you is some sort of proof you are correct.
That’s like me describing to soccer fans that their sport sucks because my friends who like football are superior to them.
I have a friend who was an orthopedic surgeon for the Eagles, Phillies, and now the University of Missouri, and he thinks you and your circle are weird as shit. (See doesn’t move you one bit on changing your stance)
The only things worth a fuck in that shit show of a paragraph you wrote. Were saying diet and exercise matter. [Reply]
Originally Posted by SupDock:
So a physician that takes cash and rarely takes new clients is a high end physician? Interesting metric.
I don't even know what it means to be "owned by the industry", but I would certainly rather see a physician that follows protocol than one that doesn't. Not following protocol is "doctors being doctors"?
You seem to be such a skeptic, but then read something about vitamin C and Covid-19 and have no issue saying " There is a lot of information out there that states that in China the best results for treatment have come from high dose vitamin C drips"
In my opinion, you are spreading misinformation.
I am the last person in the world to be talking on this subject , but if you don’t think big pharmaceutical co don’t push its drugs down drs throats one way or another.insurance co leaning on them as well then I am afraid we are fooling are selfs.i realize I just did a piss poor job of this but on my phone and trying to pay attention to work lol [Reply]
Originally Posted by BIG_DADDY:
Whatever. It always kills me that people who run in the circles I do who prescribe to a lot of what many of you consider misinformation are so much healthier than the general population. (Much Healthier)One of them treats a bunch of the 49ers, I wonder why and how they ended up there. It's kind of a who's who of the silicon valley with executives. If you think you are getting better advice at Kaiser from a doctor following AMA protocol knock yourself out. IMO, diet matters. Supplements matter. Exercise matters. Treatments matter. It's so weird that this is the only place I go where people think it doesn't. IMO diet is king. To each their own though.
Again. You are moving the goalposts
This is classic selection bias. A group of healthy people chose to pay extra money to see a "high end physician" that promotes supplements. You said it yourself, these are healthy individuals (49ers athletes and silicon valley executives) choosing to see this physician. That doesn't mean the physician is making them healthy. If you cannot see the error in your logic, I don't know what to tell you
Of course diet and exercise is important, everyone knows this, including the AMA. This isn't some secret.
The average primary care physician does not have a self-selected healthy group of patients that exercises regularly and follows a healthy diet.
This has nothing to do with an alkaline diet or using Vitamin C to treat viral infections. [Reply]
Originally Posted by R Clark:
I am the last person in the world to be talking on this subject , but if you don’t think big pharmaceutical co don’t push its drugs down drs throats one way or another.insurance co leaning on them as well then I am afraid we are fooling are selfs.i realize I just did a piss poor job of this but on my phone and trying to pay attention to work lol
Insurance companies leaning on physicians in what way? Telling them to advocate for mammograms and colonoscopies? Encouraging them to put diabetics on statins? [Reply]
Originally Posted by mac459:
It kills me that you think any part of describing a group of people that share the same beliefs as you is some sort of proof you are correct.
That’s like me describing to soccer fans that their sport sucks because my friends who like football are superior to them.
I have a friend who was an orthopedic surgeon for the Eagles, Phillies, and now the University of Missouri, and he thinks you and your circle are weird as shit. (See doesn’t move you one bit on changing your stance)
The only things worth a **** in that shit show of a paragraph you wrote. Were saying diet and exercise matter.
This is BS too. Your friend doesn't know me or who is in my circle and has no idea that you even posted this so he can't have an opinion about me or my circle at all. There is no official orthopedic surgeons for teams unless they buy the title. Many top athletes out here use a guy named Arthur Ting. I have known him for over 25 years. He has been the surgeon for teams but that doesn't mean he officially gets all the business. That falls on the player. Generally speaking orthopedic surgeons don't advise on supplementation though so I have no idea why you pulled that out of your ass. [Reply]
Originally Posted by SupDock:
Again. You are moving the goalposts
This is classic selection bias. A group of healthy people chose to pay extra money to see a "high end physician" that promotes supplements. You said it yourself, these are healthy individuals (49ers athletes and silicon valley executives) choosing to see this physician. That doesn't mean the physician is making them healthy. If you cannot see the error in your logic, I don't know what to tell you
Of course diet and exercise is important, everyone knows this, including the AMA. This isn't some secret.
The average primary care physician does not have a self-selected healthy group of patients that exercises regularly and follows a healthy diet.
This has nothing to do with an alkaline diet or using Vitamin C to treat viral infections.
There was nothing left for me to say about the original post as I was forced to repeat myself endlessly.
I didn't move the goal posts you asked about it specifically and then moved the goal posts back to the original post. Do what you do bro. Time to move on. [Reply]
Originally Posted by BIG_DADDY:
There was nothing left for me to say about the original post as I was forced to repeat myself endlessly.
I didn't move the goal posts you asked about it specifically and then moved the goal posts back to the original post. Do what you do bro. Time to move on.
