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Saccopoo Memorial Draft Forum>The logic of drafting OT in the 1st.
O.city 11:44 AM 02-04-2021
And absolutely if you take a T at 32, he starts day one.
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htismaqe 02:29 PM 02-04-2021
Originally Posted by O.city:
And absolutely if you take a T at 32, he starts day one.
Then you can't just take any of these guys.

Several of the prospects being discussed will be GUARDS in the NFL. And a handful more will require time to develop.

So it isn't as simple as "take the OT available at 32". It's a lot more complicated than that.
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DaneMcCloud 12:57 PM 02-04-2021
I just don't get all of the panic about the offensive line.

The past few nights, the NFL Network has replayed the 2018 regular season game against the Patriots as well as the AFC Championship game, and regardless of who has started, the line performed fine, whether it was Wylie or LDT or Cam Erving at LG or any iteration.

I think there's a better than good chance that the Chiefs starting offensive line will be either Fisher or a fill-in at LT, Allegretti, Reiter, LDT and Wylie, if Schwartz is actually retires.

I think it would be great if the Chiefs can re-sign Remmers and Wiz as backups, leaving Niang and a draftee to battle out at LT. I could see them snagging another IOL from the 5th-7th, watch the guy sit for a year, then move into the RG or Center position. But I just cannot envision a scenario in which they draft a pair of tackles and a center while forcing them to start the 2021 season.

That just doesn't jibe with Veach and Reid's philosophy.
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The Franchise 01:00 PM 02-04-2021
Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud:
I just don't see all of the panic about the offensive line.

The past few nights, the NFL Network has replayed the 2018 regular season game against the Patriots as well as the AFC Championship game, and regardless of who has started, the line performed fine, whether it was Wylie or LDT or Cam Erving at LG or any iteration.

I think there's a better than good chance that the Chiefs starting offensive line will be either Fisher or a fill-in at LT, Allegretti, Reiter, LDT and Wylie, if Schwartz is actually retires.

I think it would be great if the Chiefs can re-sign Remmers and Wiz as backups, leaving Niang and a draftee to battle out at LT. I could see them snagging another IOL from the 5th-7th, watch the guy sit for a year, then move into the RG or Center position but I just cannot envision a scenario in which they draft a pair of tackles and a center while forcing them to start the 2021 season.

That just doesn't jibe with Veach and Reid's philosophy.
Reiter is gone. No way do we pay that much money to keep him.

But I’m not overly worried about the offensive line either.
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DaneMcCloud 01:06 PM 02-04-2021
Originally Posted by The Franchise:
Reiter is gone. No way do we pay that much money to keep him.

But I’m not overly worried about the offensive line either.
Sure, I completely agree but I just have a hard time believing that any team will offer him the kind of money that Spotrac is projecting. It would be great for him and his family if he can snag $11 million per but that really seems to be an egregious number for a 29 year old center.

It wouldn't surprise me to see him back on a backloaded 2 year, $12-15 million dollar deal with a minimal cap hit in 2021 because Reid really likes "His guys" and Reiter definitely fits that description.

The Chiefs went 5-3 with Cam freaking Erving at Left Tackle so I don't think the situation is as dire as some believe.
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frozenchief 02:20 PM 02-04-2021
Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud:
The Chiefs went 5-3 with Cam freaking Erving at Left Tackle so I don't think the situation is as dire as some believe.
THis is a good point. Don't forget Fisher was playing at 50% when we played the Saints and we did pretty well. Would I prefer Fisher at LT? Obviously. But Andy has 2 weeks to scheme and there are a lot of things that he can do in those two weeks to compensate for some O-line weakness.
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htismaqe 02:34 PM 02-04-2021
Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud:
Sure, I completely agree but I just have a hard time believing that any team will offer him the kind of money that Spotrac is projecting. It would be great for him and his family if he can snag $11 million per but that really seems to be an egregious number for a 29 year old center.

It wouldn't surprise me to see him back on a backloaded 2 year, $12-15 million dollar deal with a minimal cap hit in 2021 because Reid really likes "His guys" and Reiter definitely fits that description.

The Chiefs went 5-3 with Cam freaking Erving at Left Tackle so I don't think the situation is as dire as some believe.
There are people here that were saying the entire IOL needed replaced prior to the Fisher injury and now they're saying we need two tackles.
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DaneMcCloud 02:56 PM 02-04-2021
Originally Posted by htismaqe:
There are people here that were saying the entire IOL needed replaced prior to the Fisher injury and now they're saying we need two tackles.
Maybe it's due to the small sample size or maybe it's more natural for him to play outside but I have to say, there's really no reason to draft and start a rookie Right Tackle when Wylie has done a pretty damn good job in spot duty this season.

With a full offseason and training camp, I think Wylie would be just fine, if not well above average, at the Right Tackle position.
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Chris Meck 03:14 PM 02-04-2021
Originally Posted by htismaqe:
There are people here that were saying the entire IOL needed replaced prior to the Fisher injury and now they're saying we need two tackles.
Well I hope you're not including me in that.

I think it's wise to not count on Fisher.

I think you need to bring Remmers back. Super-sub/insurance plan.

I DO think you need one tackle. I don't believe you just hand a spot to Niang, and I'd rather not see the Rankin show at LT.

We will need to figure something out at C, whether it be internal or a cheap vet, but if we draft one, I don't think you assume he starts either right away. I'm curious as to how the Justin Britt work-out went. That could be a nice stopgap guy. He's still only 29.

Durant just looks too slow afoot for an OT, but is a maybe at Guard.

I mean there could be some options already here and it could be that Veach knows exactly who will be ready to play and where, but WE don't, so we speculate.
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Direckshun 01:26 PM 02-04-2021
A midround WR you should keep your eye on is Josh Imatorbhebhe of Illinois.

This guy has all the tools to be a really good X. Just needs coaching.


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htismaqe 02:32 PM 02-04-2021
Originally Posted by Direckshun:
A midround WR you should keep your eye on is Josh Imatorbhebhe of Illinois.

This guy has all the tools to be a really good X. Just needs coaching.

He needs a lot more than just coaching. He's extremely raw.
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Direckshun 02:45 PM 02-04-2021
Originally Posted by htismaqe:
He needs a lot more than just coaching. He's extremely raw.
So... coaching?
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htismaqe 03:12 PM 02-04-2021
Originally Posted by Direckshun:
So... coaching?
No, not just coaching, he's going to need a ton of luck. He's a guy that might not even make the roster because he can't even digest a playbook.

Compared to him, Hardman was medium rare.
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Direckshun 03:46 PM 02-04-2021
Originally Posted by htismaqe:
No, not just coaching, he's going to need a ton of luck. He's a guy that might not even make the roster because he can't even digest a playbook.

Compared to him, Hardman was medium rare.
A lot will go into what the scouting department thinks about his ability to digest playbook material and put in the work.

He's got the physical tools, no question.
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The Franchise 03:37 PM 02-04-2021
And if I remember from watching some Texans games....even Tunsil didn’t look that great.
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