Originally Posted by Cave Johnson:
Also, the Pats suck because Cam is washed, a bunch of their players opted out or left in free agency, their actual cash spending has been pretty low the last few years, and BB has drafted terribly in recent years.
I just don't know why the Pats just don't go with Stidham at this point. What do they have to lose? Cam is done [Reply]
It's probably both. I think history has proven you basically need one of two elements to win a Super Bowl:
1. Great coach and great QB
2. Good coach/elite defense
I'm trying to think of the last team to win a SB with a garbage QB and a mediocre defense but an elite head coach. Or a team with an amazing QB, but an awful HC. There is probably an example somewhere. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Why Not?:
It's probably both. I think history has proven you basically need one of two elements to win a Super Bowl:
1. Great coach and great QB
2. Good coach/elite defense
I'm trying to think of the last team to win a SB with a garbage QB and a mediocre defense but an elite head coach. Or a team with an amazing QB, but an awful HC. There is probably an example somewhere.
Originally Posted by Why Not?:
It's probably both. I think history has proven you basically need one of two elements to win a Super Bowl:
1. Great coach and great QB
2. Good coach/elite defense
I'm trying to think of the last team to win a SB with a garbage QB and a mediocre defense but an elite head coach. Or a team with an amazing QB, but an awful HC. There is probably an example somewhere.
Brian Billick and Trent Dilfer are a huge outlier [Reply]
Originally Posted by htismaqe:
Pretty good defense there too.
They were really fucking good. Only gave up 196 points all year. They allowed 10 or less points in 11 of there 19 games including postseason. Number 1 in yards and points allowed. 3 1st team all pros on D. [Reply]
So both of these teams had historically good defenses, like I said. :-)
In all seriousness, that seems to be the one way you can get around having a great QB/great coach is to have not just a great defense but an all-time great defense. [Reply]
Originally Posted by htismaqe:
So both of these teams had historically good defenses, like I said. :-)
In all seriousness, that seems to be the one way you can get around having a great QB/great coach is to have not just a great defense but an all-time great defense.
Right. That’s the thing. I can’t think of one crappy QB that won a SB without an elite defense. Was the Redskins defense great when Doug Williams won it? [Reply]
Originally Posted by Why Not?:
Right. That’s the thing. I can’t think of one crappy QB that won a SB without an elite defense. Was the Redskins defense great when Doug Williams won it?
From looking at PFR, no they weren't great.
They were just an all-around good team (4th scoring offense, 6th scoring defense) with a great head coach.
Plus Williams was actually the backup. Jay Schroeder was the starter going into the season. [Reply]
Originally Posted by htismaqe:
From looking at PFR, no they weren't great.
They were just an all-around good team (4th scoring offense, 6th scoring defense) with a great head coach.
Plus Williams was actually the backup. Jay Schroeder was the starter going into the season.
True but Schroeder wasn’t great either. Maybe that’s our outlier? Mediocre/decent Qb play, good but not elite defense, HOF coach.
Wait a second! Duh! How could I forget. The 2017 Eagles. Neither Wentz or Foles are great, although Wentz had a great year prior to injury and Doug is hardly a great coach and I don’t think their defense was anything real special that year. Lightning in a bottle is a real thing, after all [Reply]
