Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.
We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.
Thanks!
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Spoiler!
Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.
California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.
“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”
The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.
The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”
Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.
The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.
The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.
A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.
Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.
“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”
It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.
“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”
On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.
“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”
According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.
More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.
But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.
“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”
CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.
Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.
“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”
Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy:
At least do something. Lay out a plan and show people the light at the end. The moral and mental health of our society is in the toilet.
I’m curious in your area what is still restricted?
Here it’s basically back to normal but with mask wearing? [Reply]
Originally Posted by O.city:
I’m curious in your area what is still restricted?
Here it’s basically back to normal but with mask wearing?
I know restaurants in KC are still at limited capacity. I've also been told at a couple of places that customers cannot stand - unless going to the restroom everyone had to be in a seat.
I'm pretty sure they are getting checked on this too, because I'll go to a place one week and everything looks normal (and busy), then a week later they will have fresh signs up about restrictions and the employees will be strict about it. [Reply]
Originally Posted by O.city:
I’m curious in your area what is still restricted?
Here it’s basically back to normal but with mask wearing?
Mostly mask mandates and limited attendance to things like basketball games. Obviously no organized social gatherings, concerts and such. You know, fun things. Hopefully the kids get the eggs hunts for Easter this year. [Reply]
Originally Posted by MahomesMagic:
There will always be those on Team Bedwetter.
It comes down to
1. The vaccines work. Then we should move on with our lives.
2. The vaccines don't work. At this point, we would have to learn to live with the virus.
Our society is not designed to be locked down for years. Humans evolved as a highly social, cooperative species. There will be greater damage to ourselves than a mere virus if we do not resume normal life soon.
There is truth in here but you are not considering the millions of people that cannot take the vaccine. You are not considering the millions that will not for various understandable reasons.
Where I live we can do almost whatever we want in smaller than normal amounts of people. That should not be that hard to work within. [Reply]
I'm not a music guy, so I don't care. Music kinda sucks.
Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy:
No tail gating?
No. We're super busy with work and a 5 year old, so we don't get to do that. We do kid things, work out, and sleep.
Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy:
No local sporting events?
Kids soccer leagues are up and running. We take our son to tennis lessons every Wednesday too.
Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy:
Mask free days at an outdoor amusement park?
We don't really go to amusement parks - it's not really fun for any of us. We go to the Zoo though. We go to the local park all the time and play...MASKLESS! :-)
Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy:
Mask free vacation?
We did miss vacation last summer, but this year should be good to go.
The only difference is we have to wear masks when we are indoors in public places....not much of a big deal, really. [Reply]
Originally Posted by loochy:
I'm not a music guy, so I don't care.
No. We're super busy with work and a 5 year old, so we don't get to do that.
Kids soccer leagues are up and running. We take our son to tennis lessons every Wednesday too.
We don't really go to amusement parks - it's not really fun for any of us. We go to the Zoo though. We did miss vacation last summer, but this year should be good to go.
The only difference is we have to wear masks when we are indoors in public places....not much of a big deal, really.
Gotcha..He is at a young enough age to not really have been impacted the way the older ones have been. Lucky kid. [Reply]
Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy:
Gotcha..He is at a young enough age to not really have been impacted the way the older ones have been. Lucky kid.
and his school has been open the whole time....he started kindergarten in august and they haven't missed a day. He does have to wear a mask at school when he's up and moving, but he can take it off when he's at his seat behind the plexiglass. They've had minimal cases at his school and no large events that caused entire classes to quarantine. [Reply]
I'm a music guy and love to go to concerts but I also support a lot of bands through viral marketing and stuff (friends with a couple of small labels too).
The real shame here isn't me not being able to go to concerts, it's that COVID has destroyed small venues and the bands that play them.
Like most other professions, it's the little guys that bore the brunt of it and some of them will never recover. [Reply]
And let's be real here. This impacts extroverts differently then a lot of the mother fuckers like Pete and Donger that never leave the computer chair in their moms basement. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Chief Roundup:
There is truth in here but you are not considering the millions of people that cannot take the vaccine. You are not considering the millions that will not for various understandable reasons.
Where I live we can do almost whatever we want in smaller than normal amounts of people. That should not be that hard to work within.
Where do you live Chief?
I am in New York and many schools still not all open for in person education.
Many restaurants are still closed because of the constant open/close mandates from the government.
Those that are open are at reduced capacity and we have changing curfews.
Weddings are on hold.
Concerts, live music, sports, travel and nightlife are dead.
The percentage of the population that is truly vulnerable (kids are safer from this than the flu) is small and the people in that population who can't take the vaccine is smaller than that.
We have disrupted the majority population to protect the smaller subset that was vulnerable for almost a year now. You can't ask everyone to continue to not live their lives for that small group of people you are referring to. We have spent trillions of dollars and cratered our entire economy for a few people. That's admirable but it can't go on forever.
The burden for protection will have to fall on individuals and their families. Let's say you have someone that is 75 years old with multiple pre-existing conditions that can't take the vaccine because they have allergic reactions. That sucks for them but you can't ask our entire population to stop their lives further for such people.
Hopefully, the government will provide resources to protect the vulnerable but we must go on. [Reply]
Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy:
Mostly mask mandates and limited attendance to things like basketball games. Obviously no organized social gatherings, concerts and such. You know, fun things. Hopefully the kids get the eggs hunts for Easter this year.
Ok, yeah mass gatherings are still not a great idea. Surely we all agree on that? [Reply]
