Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.
We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.
Thanks!
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Spoiler!
Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.
California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.
“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”
The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.
The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”
Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.
The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.
The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.
A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.
Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.
“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”
It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.
“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”
On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.
“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”
According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.
More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.
But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.
“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”
CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.
Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.
“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”
Originally Posted by petegz28:
Did they all have masks on? To me in that situation it is worthless. It takes so long to cut your hair that you negate the use of the masks. If you could get your hair cut in a few minutes then maybe. But especially for women who can take an hour or more. By that time the mask is just decoration.
I believe there was a mask requirement, and no one was infected except another stylist. Others can correct me if I'm wrong. [Reply]
Originally Posted by dirk digler:
We can possibly prevent a 2nd wave by using masks in public according to this study.
BTW I am still wearing a mask when I go out in public but as each day goes by fewer and fewer people are from what I notice.
I still wear a mask when outside, also. I would say that only 30% of the people I see out these days are wearing masks. Go to Home Depot and it's probably closer to 10% [Reply]
Originally Posted by DaFace:
I believe there was a mask requirement, and no one was infected except another stylist. Others can correct me if I'm wrong.
I thought they said like 80 people got infected? Or maybe just exposed, I don't remember. [Reply]
That's good. It would be nice if we could run the same test though in parallel to see how much the masks did or did not help. I know we can't but it would be nice if some how they could really nail it down. [Reply]
Originally Posted by DaFace:
Exposed. None infected.
That's good. Again I wish we could some how do a parallel test without hurting anyone of course. I mean wouldn't you absolutely shit if the results ended up being the same? [Reply]
Originally Posted by petegz28:
Did they all have masks on? To me in that situation it is worthless. It takes so long to cut your hair that you negate the use of the masks. If you could get your hair cut in a few minutes then maybe. But especially for women who can take an hour or more. By that time the mask is just decoration.
Both worked while sick, wore masks the entire time and had no transmission.
Originally Posted by O.city:
Both worked while sick, wore masks the entire time and had no transmission.
Seems like a good data poitn.
It seems that way yes and we have to lean on that because we have nothing to compare it too. I mean what if they were sick but not necessarily shedding or whatever they call it? I know it's impossible to know but that would be what we would really want to know? If you could somehow accurately simulate the same exact situation but without masks. [Reply]
Originally Posted by petegz28:
It seems that way yes and we have to lean on that because we have nothing to compare it too. I mean what if they were sick but not necessarily shedding or whatever they call it? I know it's impossible to know but that would be what we would really want to know? If you could somehow accurately simulate the same exact situation but without masks.
Originally Posted by O.city:
Yeah, masks work. Why wouldn't it?
I don't think that it's a 100% conclusion that the masks made the difference (since there's a lot of variability in how contagious people are), but it certainly is a point to suggest that masks might help. Of course, there's tons of evidence pointing that direction these days if you look for it. [Reply]
Originally Posted by O.city:
Yeah, masks work. Why wouldn't it?
Do they? I am not saying they don't but what I said was it would be cool if we had the same exact situation without masks to see if masks did really work and if so to what degree??? [Reply]
Originally Posted by DaFace:
I don't think that it's a 100% conclusion that the masks made the difference (since there's a lot of variability in how contagious people are), but it certainly is a point to suggest that masks might help. Of course, there's tons of evidence pointing that direction these days if you look for it.
Then one would have to analyze what kind of masks they wore. Home made cotton? N95s? Painters masks? Surgical lookalikes made in China? [Reply]
Cases: The 7-day avg has hit a new high. Cases shot up significantly from yesterday, 2nd highest number of cases reported ever.
Testing: PCR testing increased by about 1,200 tests from yesterday.
Spread: Overall PCR positive percentage ticked up again to 7.7% (up from a 6.6% low) and the average for this week is currently 14% (up from 12% last week). ⚠️ That's roughly 1 in 7 testing positive for COVID, up from 1 in 20 a month ago.
Hospital Utilization: ICU beds usage went up 76% to 79%. Inpatient bed occupancy shot up 78% to 83%. Hospitalizations for positive or suspected COVID-19 patients ticked up by 1%. Intubations increased by about 25% since yesterday. Ventilators in use shot up from 641 to 979, largest spike to date (could be weird data since number of vents available only went down by 40). [Reply]