Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.
We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.
Thanks!
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Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.
California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.
“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”
The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.
The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”
Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.
The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.
The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.
A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.
Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.
“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”
It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.
“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”
On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.
“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”
According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.
More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.
But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.
“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”
CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.
Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.
“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”
We're still learning. It's also kinda depending on wording. True asymptomatic may be more rare than we think it's just that symptoms are so little we don't notice. Technically, thats not asymptomatic. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Marcellus:
Does anyone still question why people have a hard time believing a damn thing they are told about Covid and question the so called experts?
I had actually read this theory early on and then we got bombarded with all these asymptomatic super spreaders stories etc...
Because people are idiots and think "expert" means they should know everything about a virus that didn't exist several months ago?
I read an interesting quote the other day, unrelated to Covid in general... "the goal of science is not to prove any position, but to collect evidence and draw conclusions based on whatever the data says".
Science isn't "pick a side early on with relatively little info and use confirmation bias to prove you were right until the end of time," like most people.... conclusions are drawn on the data given and conclusions change as the data changes.
Science gives no fucks about anyone's agenda or "being right".
The downside is that the media certainly does, so what's actually said by scientist, which might be "the data shows asymptomatic people could be spreading Covid, based on the number of new infections" turns into a news story "YOU'RE SPREADING COVID AND DON'T EVEN KNOW IT!!!" [Reply]
We're still learning. It's also kinda depending on wording. True asymptomatic may be more rare than we think it's just that symptoms are so little we don't notice. Technically, thats not asymptomatic.
Basically this.
I had some congestion and a very mild sore throat but that’s allergies to me. So I considered myself asymptomatic with a positive test. I just had similar symptoms last week but my allergies are terrible right now. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Bearcat:
Because people are idiots and think "expert" means they should know everything about a virus that didn't exist several months ago?
I read an interesting quote the other day, unrelated to Covid in general... "the goal of science is not to prove any position, but to collect evidence and draw conclusions based on whatever the data says".
Science isn't "pick a side early on with relatively little info and use confirmation bias to prove you were right until the end of time," like most people.... conclusions are drawn on the data given and conclusions change as the data changes.
Science gives no ****s about anyone's agenda or "being right".
The downside is that the media certainly does, so what's actually said by scientist, which might be "the data shows asymptomatic people could be spreading Covid, based on the number of new infections" turns into a news story "YOU'RE SPREADING COVID AND DON'T EVEN KNOW IT!!!"
Well said, I’ve been trying to articulate this for weeks. [Reply]
I had some congestion and a very mild sore throat but that’s allergies to me. So I considered myself asymptomatic with a positive test. I just had similar symptoms last week but my allergies are terrible right now.
I had some congestion and a very mild sore throat but that’s allergies to me. So I considered myself asymptomatic with a positive test. I just had similar symptoms last week but my allergies are terrible right now.
Originally Posted by Bearcat:
Because people are idiots and think "expert" means they should know everything about a virus that didn't exist several months ago?
I read an interesting quote the other day, unrelated to Covid in general... "the goal of science is not to prove any position, but to collect evidence and draw conclusions based on whatever the data says".
Science isn't "pick a side early on with relatively little info and use confirmation bias to prove you were right until the end of time," like most people.... conclusions are drawn on the data given and conclusions change as the data changes.
Science gives no ****s about anyone's agenda or "being right".
The downside is that the media certainly does, so what's actually said by scientist, which might be "the data shows asymptomatic people could be spreading Covid, based on the number of new infections" turns into a news story "YOU'RE SPREADING COVID AND DON'T EVEN KNOW IT!!!"
Yea I agree with all of your post, but my point is that people in this very thread shit on others who have questioned some of the info being passed as "fact" and then it turns out, its not a "fact" and its all been theory that may be 100% wrong.
I had several people jump on me about questioning asymptomatic spread and the Sweden study that found that children are not good vectors for spreading covid.
There is a metric shit ton of conflicting info on this stuff so to bash people who question some things makes zero sense as we are once again seeing. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Bearcat:
Because people are idiots and think "expert" means they should know everything about a virus that didn't exist several months ago?
I read an interesting quote the other day, unrelated to Covid in general... "the goal of science is not to prove any position, but to collect evidence and draw conclusions based on whatever the data says".
Science isn't "pick a side early on with relatively little info and use confirmation bias to prove you were right until the end of time," like most people.... conclusions are drawn on the data given and conclusions change as the data changes.
Science gives no ****s about anyone's agenda or "being right".
A neighbor is an environmental scientist and is hired by various entities to do environmental impact reports (EIR`s)........took me and my buddy a few years but finally after a few too many at at BBQ gathering this guy admitted his opinion on EIR`s would sway in favor of the one paying him. If hired by a developer, "Nope, no purple bellied lizards in this field. Build away" Or if hired by environmental groups, "Cant disturb this area because I see left handed purple toed bunny rabbit habitat" lol.... [Reply]
Originally Posted by Marcellus:
Yea I agree with all of your post, but my point is that people in this very thread shit on others who have questioned some of the info being passed as "fact" and then it turns out, its not a "fact" and its all been theory that may be 100% wrong.
I had several people jump on me about questioning asymptomatic spread and the Sweden study that found that children are not good vectors for spreading covid.
There is a metric shit ton of conflicting info on this stuff so to bash people who question some things makes zero sense as we are once again seeing.
I think it's alot about how people approached "questioning" things and the motives behind them. Right or wrong, it generally comes from both "sides".
As has been said some here though that we all need to remember, there's alot of stuff out there thats pre print that hasn't been looked at from a peer review standpoint that can be pretty easily destructed simply based on methods.
We all want this to get figured out one way or another. [Reply]
In the first peer-reviewed analysis of local, regional and national policies, the researchers found that travel restrictions, business and school closures, shelter-in-place orders and other non-pharmaceutical interventions averted roughly 530 million COVID-19 infections across the six countries in the study period ending April 6. Of these infections, 62 million would likely have been “confirmed cases,” given limited testing in each country. [Reply]
