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keg in kc 04:29 PM 01-05-2020
Project Luminous? Rumored to be Star Wars pre Skywalker era, but rather than Old Republic era it will be so-called High Republic, about 400 years before the Battle of Yavin (which means Yoda is alive...) and it may start with a video game next year before branching out into print, TV and eventually film. Basically sounds like, instead of doing trilogies, they're going to try to go the route of the MCU.

Couple different sources initially out with leaks about this yesterday, and it's starting to spread wider today.

https://makingstarwars.net/2020/01/t...-republic-era/
https://ziro.hu/english/exclusive-pr...-of-star-wars/
https://www.slashfilm.com/the-future...ct-luminosity/

If this is real it should be announced by Disney in the next few weeks. We shall see.
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Jamie 01:47 PM 01-08-2020
Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud:
I completely disagree.
Rogue One earned more than $1 billion at the box office and while Solo didn't meet the earning expectations, it was a very good and very well made film that's doing extremely well on Netflix and Disney+ in terms of streaming numbers.
I'm talking getting people to turn out for the movies. In that sense "skippable" is a synonym for "I'll wait for streaming".

Originally Posted by :
The Mandalorian, which is set 5 years after RotJ and 25 years before TFA, has been an enormous hit and it's expected that the Obi Wan series will do just as well.
Doesn't this support my point? New characters, new stories. I'm not saying to avoid in-between time periods, it's to avoid in-between stories. Like if the show had been about what Boba Fett was doing between Empire and Jedi, that would have been a bad idea. Because we know whatever it is, that sarlacc pit is waiting for him.

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The Rogue One prequel series is being written by Oscar Nominee Tony Gilroy and their showrunner is none other than Stephen Schiff, who produced the very well regarded TV show, The Americans.
Cool. I bet you people will be less into the Cassian Andor show than they are the Mandalorian.

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There is FAR more interest within the hardcore fanbase for TV and films set in the Prequel and OT era than something set hundreds or thousands of years outside the classic time period.
I guess if you say so. Even if that's true, the hardcore fanbase isn't going to get you to $2 billion at the box office. The TV stuff is great, but that's not why Disney bought Star Wars.

Also I want to point out, I said 100-200 years. So Chewie, the droids, and the Millennium Falcon are all still on the table.
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DaneMcCloud 02:25 PM 01-08-2020
Originally Posted by Jamie:
I'm talking getting people to turn out for the movies. In that sense "skippable" is a synonym for "I'll wait for streaming".
You don't seem to understand new media


Originally Posted by Jamie:
Doesn't this support my point? New characters, new stories. I'm not saying to avoid in-between time periods, it's to avoid in-between stories. Like if the show had been about what Boba Fett was doing between Empire and Jedi, that would have been a bad idea. Because we know whatever it is, that sarlacc pit is waiting for him.
No, it doesn't. The Clone Wars series had a huge audience and we "knew" what happened to Anakin, Obi Wan, Yoda, etc. It was so popular, in fact, that Season 7 of The Clone Wars is set to air later this year, eight years after Disney initially cancelled it.

Originally Posted by Jamie:
Cool. I bet you people will be less into the Cassian Andor show than they are the Mandalorian.
So, you can see the future, eh? If so, you're in the wrong business, whatever that may be.

Originally Posted by Jamie:
I guess if you say so. Even if that's true, the hardcore fanbase isn't going to get you to $2 billion at the box office. The TV stuff is great, but that's not why Disney bought Star Wars.
Good grief. Disney paid $4 Billion for Star Wars and they made their money back (and more) after the release of TFA, R1 and TLJ.

That's not to mention video games, merch and of course, Theme Parks. I'm guessing you haven't been to Disneyland or Disney World since Star Wars Galaxy's Edge opened last year but the lines are outrageously long and Fast Passes aren't allowed.

And this was before the latest ride, Rise of the Resistance, opened at either park.

I'm not trying to be rude but you have absolutely no idea "why" Disney purchased Star Wars.

Originally Posted by Jamie:
Also I want to point out, I said 100-200 years. So Chewie, the droids, and the Millennium Falcon are all still on the table.
I have absolutely no idea what you're talking about when referring to this quote.
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BigRedChief 03:36 PM 01-08-2020
Originally Posted by Just Passin' By:
17 days into the release, IX is trailing XII by almost $300m, and trailing the disaster that was XIII by over $65m, domestically. And that's despite it being a wrap up film. So, I'm not going to try telling Disney how to fix the broken abomination that they've created, since they clearly haven't bothered listening to the audience, but I'm sure that they know they've got some serious repair work to do. And, as long as they keep Kennedy in control of it, it's probably not going to get fixed. But, no matter what they do, they'll likely never get back what the original trilogy set in place for them. They squandered that.
its going to make north of a BILLION$ís. In what universe is that a failure?
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DaneMcCloud 03:56 PM 01-08-2020
Originally Posted by BigRedChief:
its going to make north of a BILLION$’s. In what universe is that a failure?
It'll make a billion at the box office and hundreds of millions more with the Blu Ray and Digital releases, not to mention the millions of people that sign up for one month of Disney Plus because they missed it in the theater.

It's nearly impossible for sequels to earn more money at the box office than the original film. It would be foolish for any studio exec to expect that Matrix 4, Avatar 2, 3 & 4, etc. will out perform its predecessors (although Matrix 4 has the best opportunity in this scenario because the original was released in 1999).

RoS won't likely top TLJ but that doesn't make it "Loser" in the eyes of the studio and regardless of what the internet thinks, topping $1 Billion at the box office is amazing and somewhat rare, even when factoring in today's inflation.
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Just Passin' By 09:23 PM 01-08-2020
Originally Posted by BigRedChief:
its going to make north of a BILLION$’s. In what universe is that a failure?
In the universe where it's being measured against both expectations and previous movies in the same franchise. You know this, so why pretend you're ignorant of the obvious?

The Amazing Spider Man 2 pulled in over $700m, yet it still killed the series.
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Just Passin' By 09:32 PM 01-08-2020
Originally Posted by Raiderhader:
It was also the Monday kids returned to school and regular life schedules resumed.
Day 19, 2020: $3,981,109

Day 19, 2018: $7,876,574


The two runs are 5 calendar days off, and that might be having some impact, but the overall numbers are still way down.

IX, to date: $458,541,607
VIII, to same day: $539,388,403


There's nothing to indicate that there's $90m to be found in a 5 day adjustment this far into the run.
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Jamie 10:05 PM 01-08-2020
Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud:
You don't seem to understand new media
I understand there are multiple revenue streams for a property like Star Wars, but I think the theatrical films are still the most important piece. They're the thing that dictates where the franchise is going. You can do whatever TV shoes, but to me, when you ask what the future of Star Wars is, you're asking where they're going with the movies. To put it another way, do you really believe Disney is content to not make theatrical Star Wars movies anymore?

Originally Posted by :
No, it doesn't. The Clone Wars series had a huge audience
Citation needed. And what is "huge" specifically? I would guess more people have seen Solo than have watched The Clone Wars.

Originally Posted by :
and we "knew" what happened to Anakin, Obi Wan, Yoda, etc. It was so popular, in fact, that Season 7 of The Clone Wars is set to air later this year, eight years after Disney initially cancelled it.
So it was so popular Disney cancelled it before it was finished? (Before you explain to me the circumstances of the cancellation of Clone Wars, I'm being facetious)

Originally Posted by :
So, you can see the future, eh? If so, you're in the wrong business, whatever that may be.
Yes, how ridiculous of me to make a prediction about the future of Star Wars, in this thread about the future of Star Wars.

Originally Posted by :
Good grief. Disney paid $4 Billion for Star Wars and they made their money back (and more) after the release of TFA, R1 and TLJ.
I guess I missed where Disney told their shareholders that they've made enough money on Star Wars.

Originally Posted by :
That's not to mention video games, merch and of course, Theme Parks. I'm guessing you haven't been to Disneyland or Disney World since Star Wars Galaxy's Edge opened last year but the lines are outrageously long and Fast Passes aren't allowed.

And this was before the latest ride, Rise of the Resistance, opened at either park.
So I guess I didn't read all those stories about disappointing attendance at Galaxy's Edge? I was going to link some, but you can just google "Galaxy's Edge attendance" and click literally any link that comes up.

Originally Posted by :
I'm not trying to be rude but you have absolutely no idea "why" Disney purchased Star Wars.
I mean, I imagine it has to do with making money.

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud:
RoS won't likely top TLJ but that doesn't make it "Loser" in the eyes of the studio and regardless of what the internet thinks, topping $1 Billion at the box office is amazing and somewhat rare, even when factoring in today's inflation.
But it was a disaster for Disney when TLJ didn't make as much as TFA?
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DaneMcCloud 10:34 PM 01-08-2020
Originally Posted by Jamie:
I understand there are multiple revenue streams for a property like Star Wars, but I think the theatrical films are still the most important piece. They're the thing that dictates where the franchise is going. You can do whatever TV shoes, but to me, when you ask what the future of Star Wars is, you're asking where they're going with the movies. To put it another way, do you really believe Disney is content to not make theatrical Star Wars movies anymore?


Citation needed. And what is "huge" specifically? I would guess more people have seen Solo than have watched The Clone Wars.



So it was so popular Disney cancelled it before it was finished? (Before you explain to me the circumstances of the cancellation of Clone Wars, I'm being facetious)


Yes, how ridiculous of me to make a prediction about the future of Star Wars, in this thread about the future of Star Wars.



I guess I missed where Disney told their shareholders that they've made enough money on Star Wars.



So I guess I didn't read all those stories about disappointing attendance at Galaxy's Edge? I was going to link some, but you can just google "Galaxy's Edge attendance" and click literally any link that comes up.


I mean, I imagine it has to do with making money.



But it was a disaster for Disney when TLJ didn't make as much as TFA?
This is EXACTLY why I havenít posted in the Lounge.

I donít have time for this Tit-For-Tat horsehit and Iím not going to continue correcting all of your nonsense.

Good day.
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Eleazar 12:04 AM 01-09-2020
Glad to see more feature films are coming. Hope they do a better job with them. The new trilogy was mostly trash. If it didnít have the prequel trilogy to be compared to it would be reviewed even worse, imo.
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Beef Supreme 12:11 AM 01-09-2020
Dane doesn't want to deal with the Tit-For-Tat horseshit, he wants everyone to acknowledge that he is always right about everything and then shut the **** up. God forbid someone has an opinion that disagrees with him.


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DaneMcCloud 09:06 PM 01-09-2020
Originally Posted by Beef Supreme:
Dane doesn't want to deal with the Tit-For-Tat horseshit, he wants everyone to acknowledge that he is always right about everything and then shut the **** up. God forbid someone has an opinion that disagrees with him.
Is that what I said? Anywhere?

No.

I'm not going to "argue" with someone's "opinion" and snarky remarks, especially when that person or persons isn't speaking factually.

I work in this business. I provided a massive amount of information about the production and its problems several weeks before the film was released, all of which was factually correct and proven after the release.

I also provided quite a bit of info about the future of Star Wars in that thread, which was clear and precise. I'm not doing the "tit-for-tat" thing in which I'm constantly arguing a person's "opinion".

If you don't like it, you know what to do with yourself.
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DaneMcCloud 09:47 PM 01-09-2020
Originally Posted by Jamie:
I understand there are multiple revenue streams for a property like Star Wars. But I think the theatrical films are still the most important piece. They're the thing that dictates where the franchise is going.
It's not "just" about the movies, it's about the entire IP, from video games to merch to theme parks to animated series to Live Action series to yes, feature films.

Disney spent more than $1 BILLION on Galaxy's Edge in Orlando and Anaheim, which basically equals the cost of three Feature Films.

They've invested in three new Live Action TV series and the 7th season of their extremely popular animated series, The Clone Wars. There's at least one more Live Action series in development along with another animated series.

Originally Posted by Jamie:
You can do whatever TV shoes, but to me, when you ask what the future of Star Wars is, you're asking where they're going with the movies. To put it another way, do you really believe Disney is content to not make theatrical Star Wars movies anymore?
They cleared the slate after the issues with RoS. Fired Benioff & Weiss. Brought in screenwriters from all over Hollywood and everyone's rejected them to date.

Maybe this report about the High Republic becomes true but if so, the deal happened the last two weeks of December, which would be unusual, to say the least.

It's not just about the feature films any longer. TV, comics, books video games - those are the key to future theatrical success.

People aren't going to just show up because the words Star Wars are on the marquee.

Originally Posted by Jamie:
Citation needed. And what is "huge" specifically? I would guess more people have seen Solo than have watched The Clone Wars. So it was so popular Disney cancelled it before it was finished? (Before you explain to me the circumstances of the cancellation of Clone Wars, I'm being facetious)
Disney's FIRST MOVE was to obliterate the entire Expanded Universe from Star Wars history. Games, books and comics were immediately labeled as "Legends" and Star Wars: The Clone Wars series was cancelled.

Now, 8 years later, Season 7 will premiere later this year. Considering that The Clone Wars series aired on the Cartoon Network for 5 years, then Netflix for the following seven years (and The Disney Channel from time to time) before being pulled in April 2019 ahead of the launch of Disney+, I'm pretty certain that it's been seen by more people than saw Solo.

Originally Posted by Jamie:
Yes, how ridiculous of me to make a prediction about the future of Star Wars, in this thread about the future of Star Wars.
This isn't a "prediction" thread.

It's a thread based off of a well-known Star Wars "insider" in Jason Ward, who lives in Long Beach, CA and has provided real insider scoops the past several years.

Originally Posted by Jamie:
I guess I missed where Disney told their shareholders that they've made enough money on Star Wars.
Good grief. Disney crossed the $7 BILLION dollar mark from their feature films in 2019, something no studio had ever crossed.

No one is fretting over Disney's profits.

Originally Posted by Jamie:
So I guess I didn't read all those stories about disappointing attendance at Galaxy's Edge? I was going to link some, but you can just google "Galaxy's Edge attendance" and click literally any link that comes up.
And there it is: I was absolutely correct in that you hadn't been to Orlando or Anaheim and waited in line for The Millennium Falcon Ride or been to Galaxy's Edge.

We're Disney Annual Passholders. We've been multiple times since Galaxy's Edge opened and despite those "reports", the lines have been atrocious. As a family, we've waited as long as 2.5 hours to ride the Falcon.

We entered the park at 8am one late September morning and I went directly to the Falcon while everyone else went to Pixar Pier. The Single Rider line was 45 minutes long by 8:30 am and by 10am, it was 90 minutes.

Disney doesn't issue Fast Passes for Galaxy's Edge although you can make a reservation for the Cantina. But, if you don't make it before 9am, forget about getting in that day because people will wait in line for 6 hours or more just to get in.

Originally Posted by Jamie:
But it was a disaster for Disney when TLJ didn't make as much as TFA?
For whom? Media outlets? Dopey internet writers?

TFA more than doubled what Disney initially expected from Episode VII, as did Rogue One. TLJ still made a massive amount of money although Solo barely broke even at the box office (but has done well on Blu Ray/Digital/Streaming).

Disney re-adjusted their earnings expectations in the mean time and they're more concerned about the future of their IP than making a quick buck at this point in time.
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Beef Supreme 04:23 AM 01-10-2020
Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud:
Is that what I said? Anywhere?

No.

I'm not going to "argue" with someone's "opinion" and snarky remarks, especially when that person or persons isn't speaking factually.

I work in this business. I provided a massive amount of information about the production and its problems several weeks before the film was released, all of which was factually correct and proven after the release.

I also provided quite a bit of info about the future of Star Wars in that thread, which was clear and precise. I'm not doing the "tit-for-tat" thing in which I'm constantly arguing a person's "opinion".

If you don't like it, you know what to do with yourself.
Gosh Dane, I don't think anyone knew you worked in this business, other than you've told everyone every chance you get. If you weren't such a douche, you would realize that most people weren't trying to "argue" with you. They were just stating what they wanted to see in future Star Wars projects and some of that disagrees with your Star Wars utopia.

If you don't like it, you know what to do with yourself.
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Just Passin' By 05:29 PM 01-10-2020
Originally Posted by Raiderhader:
It was also the Monday kids returned to school and regular life schedules resumed.
No real bounce back during the week, and the numbers are still lower than XII.

The last two days

XIII: 9,574,199
IX: 4,569,083


There is that 5 day calendar difference between the two runs, so maybe there will be a bigger bounce back than there was at this same point for XIII. But, in the meantime, the difference continues to increase, and is closing in on $100 million domestic.

XII: $548,962,602
IX: $463,110,690
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Raiderhader 05:45 PM 01-10-2020
Originally Posted by Just Passin' By:
No real bounce back during the week, and the numbers are still lower than XII.

The last two days

XIII: 9,574,199
IX: 4,569,083


There is that 5 day calendar difference between the two runs, so maybe there will be a bigger bounce back than there was at this same point for XIII. But, in the meantime, the difference continues to increase, and is closing in on $100 million domestic.

XII: $548,962,602
IX: $463,110,690

Well again, people are just starting up theirs normal routines again. Donít get me wrong, I expected it to do worse. I just wouldnít bother too much with using this week as my evidence. But clearly, I have a different way of looking at things than most. So what do I know?
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