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Washington DC and The Holy Land>Electoral Map Is a Reality Check to Trump’s Bid
Lex Luthor 05:16 PM 04-02-2016
Trump trails Hillary in virtually every state. If he is the Republican nominee, it will be an electoral college defeat of historic proportions.

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Donald J. Trump’s presidential candidacy has stunned the Republican Party. But if he survives a late revolt by his rivals and other leaders to become the party’s standard-bearer in the general election, the electoral map now coming into view is positively forbidding.

In recent head-to-head polls with one Democrat whom Mr. Trump may face in the fall, Hillary Clinton, he trails in every key state, including Florida and Ohio, despite her soaring unpopularity ratings with swing voters.

In Democratic-leaning states across the Rust Belt, which Mr. Trump has vowed to return to the Republican column for the first time in nearly 30 years, his deficit is even worse: Mrs. Clinton leads him by double digits in Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania.

Mr. Trump is so negatively viewed, polls suggest, that he could turn otherwise safe Republican states, usually political afterthoughts because of their strong conservative tilt, into tight contests. In Utah, his deep unpopularity with Mormon voters suggests that a state that has gone Republican every election for a half-century could wind up in play. Republicans there pointed to a much-discussed Deseret News poll last month, showing Mrs. Clinton with a narrow lead over Mr. Trump, to argue that the state would be difficult for him.

Horse-race polls this early are poor predictors of election results, and candidates have turned around public opinion before. And the country’s politics have become so sharply polarized that no major-party contender is likely to come near the 49-state defeats suffered by Democrats in 1972 and 1984.

But without an extraordinary reversal — or the total collapse of whoever becomes his general-election opponent — Mr. Trump could be hard-pressed to win more than 200 electoral votes.

Mr. Trump has become unacceptable, perhaps irreversibly so, to broad swaths of Americans, including large majorities of women, nonwhites, Hispanics, voters under 30 and those with college degrees — the voters who powered President Obama’s two victories and represent the country’s demographic future. All view him unfavorably by a 2-to-1 margin, according to a recent New York Times/CBS News poll.

In some states, Mr. Trump has surprised establishment-aligned Republicans with his breadth of support beyond the less-educated men who form his base. Even so, his support in the nominating process, in which some 30 million people may ultimately vote, would be swamped in a general election, when turnout is likely to be four times that.

“We’re talking about somebody who has the passionate devotion of a minority and alternately scares, appalls, angers — or all of the above — a majority of the country,” said Henry Olsen, a conservative analyst. “This isn’t anything but a historic election defeat just waiting to happen.”

(It's a fairly long article, so I put the rest in spoiler tags.)

Spoiler!
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politi...cid=spartanntp
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Saul Good 04:42 PM 04-03-2016
Originally Posted by Prison Bitch:
These same folks said W was stupid for trying to bring democracy there (which is true).....then they defend O for trying to do the same damn thing and supporting toppling of dictatorships.
You're equating two actions that are different by many, many orders of magnitude.
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LiveSteam 04:44 PM 04-03-2016
Originally Posted by Saul Good:
I'm not really defending it per se. It was stupid, but it's not the sort of thing that matters in the big picture. Hillary is a shitty person, and there are plenty of more effective ways to go after her. In order to capitalize on this fact, the Republicans need to run someone better than Donald Trump against her.

Kasich should be the guy, and the polls agree with me.
#1 Kasich is a bisexual RINO.
#2 I've never blamed Hilldog for Benghazi. What happened that night & in the following months is all on the head coach Obam as far as I'm concerned.
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mlyonsd 04:44 PM 04-03-2016
Originally Posted by Saul Good:
So when the 9-11 widows AKA the Jersey Girls spoke out against Bush and were excoriated by pundits on the right for politicizing a tragedy that caused thousands of deaths on American soil, they were disgusting for politicizing a tragedy, but it's perfectly acceptable when the right uses similar tactics against Hillary?

It doesn't matter either way. Four deaths in Libya that took place four years ago in a terrorist attack isn't going to move the needle. Shit happens, and reminding Americans that the biggest attack that the Obama administration allowed was 5,000 miles away and resulted in 4 deaths, may have the opposite result you're expecting.
It already has moved the needle and will get worse during the general election. There still are some people that actually care and draw lines about lying for political gain, especially when death being covered up is involved.
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Saul Good 04:54 PM 04-03-2016
Originally Posted by mlyonsd:
It already has moved the needle and will get worse during the general election. There still are some people that actually care and draw lines about lying for political gain, especially when death being covered up is involved.
Go ahead and show me a poll that lists Bengazi as a hot button issue among independents.
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mlyonsd 05:05 PM 04-03-2016
Originally Posted by Saul Good:
Go ahead and show me a poll that lists Bengazi as a hot button issue among independents.
Go ahead and find me a poll that finds hillary trustworthy with independents. And it hasn't even started yet.
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GloucesterChief 05:46 PM 04-03-2016
Originally Posted by Saul Good:
So the big scandal is that Hillary didn't accurately state what motivated the terrorists to commit an act of terror?
They first lied and said it was just a protest that turned into a riot. I don't know about you but I have seen very few protests where people bring RPGs, mortars, and execute deliberate trained attacks.

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Who cares what motivated them? Nobody cares when people lie and say "they hate us because of our freedom".
It would be nice to now why Stevens was in Benghazi, was Stevens even the target, and why they would attack Benghazi.

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4 Americans died in Libya during a civil war. It didn't launch us into a 15 year long war like the original 9-11 attack did. It's actually astounding that we've been as free from terror attacks since 2001 as we have.
They died after the first civil war was over in an American consulate with a CIA annex. Stevens was there instead of the embassy in Tripoli for some unknown reason, and the Benghazi consulate was light on security because the state department had moved out by 2012. This was also after the first civil war was over and during Libya's slide into absolute chaos.
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Prison Bitch 05:53 PM 04-03-2016
Originally Posted by Saul Good:
You're equating two actions that are different by many, many orders of magnitude.
Yes, there are farrrrrr more people in the Arab Spring nations than the piddly 25M in Iraq
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Saul Good 09:00 PM 04-03-2016
Originally Posted by mlyonsd:
Go ahead and find me a poll that finds hillary trustworthy with independents. And it hasn't even started yet.
I'll show you polls that show her smoking Trump. She isn't trustworthy at all. Republicans voting for Trump are basically forcing those of us who aren't insane to vote for someone as terrible as Hillary. Let that sink in.
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Saul Good 09:00 PM 04-03-2016
Originally Posted by Prison Bitch:
Yes, there are farrrrrr more people in the Arab Spring nations than the piddly 25M in Iraq
How many of them are killing American soldiers?
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LiveSteam 09:05 PM 04-03-2016
Originally Posted by Saul Good:
I'll show you polls that show her smoking Trump. She isn't trustworthy at all. Republicans voting for Trump are basically forcing those of us who aren't insane to vote for someone as terrible as Hillary. Let that sink in.
The fact you'd vote for Hillary over Trump knowing the Supreme Court is on the line. Says more about you then it does about any Trump supporter. I'll vote for whoever is put up against her. I used to say I'd stay home if Bush was put up & I meant it.
But not now with the loss of Scalia.

Trump is 4 years. Scalias chair is for life. Let that sink in
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Sweet Daddy Hate 09:10 PM 04-03-2016
Originally Posted by Saul Good:
I'll show you polls that show her smoking Trump. She isn't trustworthy at all. Republicans voting for Trump are basically forcing those of us who aren't insane to vote for someone as terrible as Hillary. Let that sink in.

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BigRedChief 09:15 PM 04-03-2016
Originally Posted by Saul Good:
I'll show you polls that show her smoking Trump. She isn't trustworthy at all. Republicans voting for Trump are basically forcing those of us who aren't insane to vote for someone as terrible as Hillary. Let that sink in.
I was on the black communist Muslim bandwagon over Hillary when he was polling 10%. I voted for Sanders in the primary. But, you give me a choice of Trump or Hillary. Hillary it is. She is status quo. She may fuck up shit in the house but Trump could burn the whole damn house to the ground and then nuke the whole planet.
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Eleazar 09:15 PM 04-03-2016
Washington Post poll March 3-6

Groups that view Trump unfavorably:
Hispanics 85%
African Americans 80%
Young voters 80%
Women 75%

He has no chance whatsoever on the general. No chance.
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Aries Walker 09:34 PM 04-03-2016
The good news for Clinton is that the people don't have to trust her. They only have to trust her enough to vault her above whoever the Republicans set forward, which this year is looking to be a pretty low bar.
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go bo 10:18 PM 04-03-2016
Originally Posted by GloucesterChief:
So, who knew what and when after it was found out that the sitting administration misled the public as to what actually got a US Ambassador killed is a pointless investigation?

I am sure you like your government lying to you. I don't.
maybe the first congressional hearings could have been justified based on those suspicions...

but the next 16 were no more than low-quality political theater...

pathetic really...

and so far no real damage to hillary's campaign...

but we can count on the pubs in the house to keep this outrageous issue in the forefront of the bubble's consciousness... :-)
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