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Washington DC and The Holy Land>Electoral Map Is a Reality Check to Trump’s Bid
Lex Luthor 05:16 PM 04-02-2016
Trump trails Hillary in virtually every state. If he is the Republican nominee, it will be an electoral college defeat of historic proportions.

Originally Posted by :
Donald J. Trump’s presidential candidacy has stunned the Republican Party. But if he survives a late revolt by his rivals and other leaders to become the party’s standard-bearer in the general election, the electoral map now coming into view is positively forbidding.

In recent head-to-head polls with one Democrat whom Mr. Trump may face in the fall, Hillary Clinton, he trails in every key state, including Florida and Ohio, despite her soaring unpopularity ratings with swing voters.

In Democratic-leaning states across the Rust Belt, which Mr. Trump has vowed to return to the Republican column for the first time in nearly 30 years, his deficit is even worse: Mrs. Clinton leads him by double digits in Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania.

Mr. Trump is so negatively viewed, polls suggest, that he could turn otherwise safe Republican states, usually political afterthoughts because of their strong conservative tilt, into tight contests. In Utah, his deep unpopularity with Mormon voters suggests that a state that has gone Republican every election for a half-century could wind up in play. Republicans there pointed to a much-discussed Deseret News poll last month, showing Mrs. Clinton with a narrow lead over Mr. Trump, to argue that the state would be difficult for him.

Horse-race polls this early are poor predictors of election results, and candidates have turned around public opinion before. And the country’s politics have become so sharply polarized that no major-party contender is likely to come near the 49-state defeats suffered by Democrats in 1972 and 1984.

But without an extraordinary reversal — or the total collapse of whoever becomes his general-election opponent — Mr. Trump could be hard-pressed to win more than 200 electoral votes.

Mr. Trump has become unacceptable, perhaps irreversibly so, to broad swaths of Americans, including large majorities of women, nonwhites, Hispanics, voters under 30 and those with college degrees — the voters who powered President Obama’s two victories and represent the country’s demographic future. All view him unfavorably by a 2-to-1 margin, according to a recent New York Times/CBS News poll.

In some states, Mr. Trump has surprised establishment-aligned Republicans with his breadth of support beyond the less-educated men who form his base. Even so, his support in the nominating process, in which some 30 million people may ultimately vote, would be swamped in a general election, when turnout is likely to be four times that.

“We’re talking about somebody who has the passionate devotion of a minority and alternately scares, appalls, angers — or all of the above — a majority of the country,” said Henry Olsen, a conservative analyst. “This isn’t anything but a historic election defeat just waiting to happen.”

(It's a fairly long article, so I put the rest in spoiler tags.)

Spoiler!
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politi...cid=spartanntp
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cosmo20002 02:51 PM 04-03-2016
Originally Posted by GloucesterChief:
It was in a civil war, one that we decided to take a side on thanks to Hillary cheerleading intervention. Guess what? It is a total cluster now. Worse off than it was under Qaddafi.

This of course doesn't mention that Qaddafi was cooperative with the West and gave up Libya's WMD program. Cooperate and we still may intervene in your civil war on the opposite side. The message that sends to the rest of the world is not a good one.
AS you said, it was in a civil war. So saying that Hillary destabilized it is complete RWNJ nonsense. Qaddafi was a goner, regardless.
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GloucesterChief 03:03 PM 04-03-2016
Originally Posted by cosmo20002:
AS you said, it was in a civil war. So saying that Hillary destabilized it is complete RWNJ nonsense. Qaddafi was a goner, regardless.
It was in a civil war. Then the West decided to arm and help, including direct air strikes, the rebels some of which were Islamic extremists. There was a civil war but it wasn't clear that Qaddafi was going to go until the West made sure of it.

The current situation in Libya is worse than when Qaddafi was in charge but hey I guess you support the largest war monger left in the race and run cover for her. Principals above principles as always for you.
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cosmo20002 03:08 PM 04-03-2016
Originally Posted by Dagnabit:
Nothing screwy, but Bernie heading your coming out party has been magnificent.
I don't know what this means.
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Prison Bitch 03:11 PM 04-03-2016
Originally Posted by cosmo20002:
AS you said, it was in a civil war. So saying that Hillary destabilized it is complete RWNJ nonsense. Qaddafi was a goner, regardless.
Deposing Qaddafi = good

Deposing Saddam = bad

/cosmoLogic
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cosmo20002 03:15 PM 04-03-2016
Originally Posted by Prison Bitch:
Deposing Qaddafi = good

Deposing Saddam = bad

/cosmoLogic
Yep, pretty much the same situation.
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Prison Bitch 03:19 PM 04-03-2016
Originally Posted by cosmo20002:
Yep, pretty much the same situation.
You complained about Iraq: "dismantling the government, building a new one, and babysitting in perpetuity."
http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...0&postcount=25


But when it comes to Libya, you're cool with it. Different situation and all.
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Saul Good 03:21 PM 04-03-2016
Originally Posted by mlyonsd:
It will be more clear to you when the families of those that died tell their story in the general election campaign ads.

There's a reason the majority of the country views her as untrustworthy. This is just one example. Her incompetence helped lead those people to their deaths, which in itself is bad enough. But her lying to the families should be an unforgivable political offense.

For the democrats I know it is and it's good to see some moral people still exist in the party.
So when the 9-11 widows AKA the Jersey Girls spoke out against Bush and were excoriated by pundits on the right for politicizing a tragedy that caused thousands of deaths on American soil, they were disgusting for politicizing a tragedy, but it's perfectly acceptable when the right uses similar tactics against Hillary?

It doesn't matter either way. Four deaths in Libya that took place four years ago in a terrorist attack isn't going to move the needle. Shit happens, and reminding Americans that the biggest attack that the Obama administration allowed was 5,000 miles away and resulted in 4 deaths, may have the opposite result you're expecting.
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cosmo20002 03:38 PM 04-03-2016
Originally Posted by Prison Bitch:
You complained about Iraq: "dismantling the government, building a new one, and babysitting in perpetuity."
http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...0&postcount=25


But when it comes to Libya, you're cool with it. Different situation and all.
Correct. We didn't dismantle the govt., it was being taken down already.
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LiveSteam 04:12 PM 04-03-2016
Originally Posted by Saul Good:
So when the 9-11 widows AKA the Jersey Girls spoke out against Bush and were excoriated by pundits on the right for politicizing a tragedy that caused thousands of deaths on American soil, they were disgusting for politicizing a tragedy, but it's perfectly acceptable when the right uses similar tactics against Hillary?

It doesn't matter either way. Four deaths in Libya that took place four years ago in a terrorist attack isn't going to move the needle. Shit happens, and reminding Americans that the biggest attack that the Obama administration allowed was 5,000 miles away and resulted in 4 deaths, may have the opposite result you're expecting.
I don't think anyone would disagree... Its what happened & was being reported for next month about Youtube & Benghazi that became a problem for Clinton & Obama.
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Saul Good 04:23 PM 04-03-2016
Originally Posted by LiveSteam:
I don't think anyone would disagree... Its what happened & was being reported for next month about Youtube & Benghazi that became a problem for Clinton & Obama.
So the big scandal is that Hillary didn't accurately state what motivated the terrorists to commit an act of terror? Who cares what motivated them? Nobody cares when people lie and say "they hate us because of our freedom".

4 Americans died in Libya during a civil war. It didn't launch us into a 15 year long war like the original 9-11 attack did. It's actually astounding that we've been as free from terror attacks since 2001 as we have.
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LiveSteam 04:30 PM 04-03-2016
Once it was proven false, Obama still blamed it on a video to the UN two weeks later. Whatever Saul, I don't care. You wanna defend the undefendable go right ahead.
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Prison Bitch 04:30 PM 04-03-2016
Originally Posted by LiveSteam:
I don't think anyone would disagree... Its what happened & was being reported for next month about Youtube & Benghazi that became a problem for Clinton & Obama.
It's a lot more than that. It was a direct repudiation of the Muslim world of Obama's foreign policy there, which Hillary directed. The "Arab Spring" didn't turn out well in many places, primarily Egypt and then of course Libya


We can all agree that region is unfixable. But our Admin lied about the cause of the disruption and tried to blame a US Citizen (!) for causing it all.
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LiveSteam 04:33 PM 04-03-2016
Originally Posted by Prison Bitch:
It's a lot more than that. It was a direct repudiation of the Muslim world of Obama's foreign policy there, which Hillary directed. The "Arab Spring" didn't turn out well in many places, primarily Egypt and then of course Libya


We can all agree that region is unfixable. But our Admin lied about the cause of the disruption and tried to blame a US Citizen (!) for causing it all.
Absolutely. But I'll never be in the mood again to debate such a open & shut case. Bush lied people died. Obama lied ,walks on water.
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Prison Bitch 04:38 PM 04-03-2016
Originally Posted by LiveSteam:
Absolutely. But I'll never be in the mood again to debate such a open & shit case. Bush lied people died. Obama lied ,walks on water.
These same folks said W was stupid for trying to bring democracy there (which is true).....then they defend O for trying to do the same damn thing and supporting toppling of dictatorships.
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Saul Good 04:39 PM 04-03-2016
Originally Posted by LiveSteam:
Once it was proven false, Obama still blamed it on a video to the UN two weeks later. Whatever Saul, I don't care. You wanna defend the undefendable go right ahead.
I'm not really defending it per se. It was stupid, but it's not the sort of thing that matters in the big picture. Hillary is a shitty person, and there are plenty of more effective ways to go after her. In order to capitalize on this fact, the Republicans need to run someone better than Donald Trump against her.

Kasich should be the guy, and the polls agree with me.
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