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Nzoner's Game Room>***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***
JakeF 10:28 PM 02-26-2020
A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

Click here for the original OP:

Spoiler!

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DaFace 10:15 AM 05-03-2020
Originally Posted by petegz28:
I still think there is a argument to be made about going the way of Sweden. Yes, they are worse than us but on an overall basis from a longer term perspective, are they really?
I wish we knew. It all comes down to the hypothesis that herd immunity is really possible without a vaccine (and without catastrophic death counts). If it's true, they're ahead of the game. If it's not, they're going to lose far more people than their neighbors.

We'll know someday, but it'll likely be months if not years.
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petegz28 10:16 AM 05-03-2020
Originally Posted by Monticore:
The last place i would want to be if i had medical issues unless they were urgent is a hospital with an outbreak, or the last place you want to expose covid to is also a hospital, and with known asymptomatic spread it pretty tricky.
That's easy to say if you aren't needing a chemo treatment or are otherwise living in pain.
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petegz28 10:18 AM 05-03-2020
Originally Posted by DaFace:
I wish we knew. It all comes down to the hypothesis that herd immunity is really possible without a vaccine (and without catastrophic death counts). If it's true, they're ahead of the game. If it's not, they're going to lose far more people than their neighbors.

We'll know someday, but it'll likely be months if not years.
I think we are going to have to go that route at some point.
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O.city 10:18 AM 05-03-2020
Originally Posted by petegz28:
I cannot believe we didn't open up the hospitals and doctor's offices once we saw there wasn't going to be this apocalyptic scene in our ER's. That is a complete and total failure on the part of our governors.
It's chicken or egg. If you open up and hospitals and such then a spike hits youre in trouble. But you can't wait forever
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Monticore 10:20 AM 05-03-2020
Originally Posted by petegz28:
That's easy to say if you aren't needing a chemo treatment or are otherwise living in pain.
I know but trust me patients are just not wanting to come especially cancer patients, when they come in you can see the fear.

Our ER has been slow because all the fever/ colds/2 years of knee pain/all the stupid shit people come to ER for are not coming and now they actually just treat true emergencies. There is also less traumas from lack of team sports/bar fights etc..

For some reason our cases of opiod overdoses has gone down as well, for that i have no reason for.
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O.city 10:21 AM 05-03-2020
Originally Posted by DaFace:
I wish we knew. It all comes down to the hypothesis that herd immunity is really possible without a vaccine (and without catastrophic death counts). If it's true, they're ahead of the game. If it's not, they're going to lose far more people than their neighbors.

We'll know someday, but it'll likely be months if not years.
I just don't think we had a good national message about what the point of it all was. Or people just didn't want to hear it.

Buy time. We've got good results from remdisivir so we have something in the tool kit. There will be more coming out all the time.
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TLO 10:22 AM 05-03-2020
Still waiting to see the daily update from Triumph numbers to get a feel for what the final tally of asymptomatic cases are going to be. There will be a small number trickling in later this week but we should have a solid idea by the end of today.

Our hospital also took someone off their inpatient list today. We're down to 2. Unsure if they had a successful recovery or... yeah.
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O.city 10:25 AM 05-03-2020
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1....27.20081893v1

DaFace, here's the paper i read on the estimation of herd immunity etc.
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dirk digler 10:27 AM 05-03-2020
Originally Posted by O.city:
Maybe.

I think the elephant in the room here is that while we flattened the curve, essentially you've set this up as a slow burn for a longer period of time. Which...is essentially what flattening the curve is. Just hope the hospitals don't over whelm and people take precautions.
Yep and now with state’s re opening we are going to see an increase.
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O.city 10:27 AM 05-03-2020
Monticore you might find this interesting seeing as you're in the health field.

A Dutch study showed 13.884 people infected, 3% required hospitalisation, 9 people died, all over 45 yo and 6 had confirmed underlying health problems. so 0.03% death rate.
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O.city 10:28 AM 05-03-2020
Originally Posted by dirk digler:
Yep and now with state’s re opening we are going to see an increase.
They think we passed the peak and they say the Rt is below 1. I don't know that the rural spikes will happen, people are so spread out. But cities? Fuck i dunno.
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Bowser 10:29 AM 05-03-2020
Originally Posted by DaFace:
I wish we knew. It all comes down to the hypothesis that herd immunity is really possible without a vaccine (and without catastrophic death counts). If it's true, they're ahead of the game. If it's not, they're going to lose far more people than their neighbors.

We'll know someday, but it'll likely be months if not years.
We're just not going to wait this thing out, and I have my doubts on some vaccine being available in 18-24 months. We need to open it up. It's going to hurt, but we need to push through it and get the country spinning again.
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BigCatDaddy 10:30 AM 05-03-2020
Talking about starting youth baseball practices here next month. I see the light.
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dirk digler 10:30 AM 05-03-2020
Originally Posted by The PMII Hypothesis:
My issue with the lockdown is it wasn’t nearly strict enough to accomplish what we set out to do, or we had the wrong goals. The former lockdown needed to be paired with strict strict regulations about who could go out, and then mass testing for essential employees as well as as contact tracing. Combine that with 10 weeks of lockdown and zero air travel you can/could’ve shut this down. The way we locked down we only slowed the virus spreading, but we slowed it too much, you need to slow it to just below what hospitals can handle or this goes on forever and the cure is worse than the disease. Opening back up is the right thing as long as masks are worn and we use true social distancing and more testing and contact tracing. Yes we will see more cases, but we can limit hot spots to not overwhelm health care. This will be the best way forward at this point. My fear is people go wild and every city turns into New York in 6 weeks. Now is more important than ever to be smart with your interactions.
Definitely should have done the hard lock down and we would have by now bended the curve.
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Monticore 10:32 AM 05-03-2020
Originally Posted by O.city:
Monticore you might find this interesting seeing as you're in the health field.

A Dutch study showed 13.884 people infected, 3% required hospitalisation, 9 people died, all over 45 yo and 6 had confirmed underlying health problems. so 0.03% death rate.
antibody testing?
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